Walmart Guillty until proven innocent! Show me your receipt OR ELSE! Mukwonago Wisconsin

People hate me because I tell the truth.  And expose these lying & scamming businesses.  People don't want the scamming business,  lying employers, crooked landlords to be exposed.

That Is why,  I receive such nasty comments.  I really don't care If they don't believe me. 

But I am fed,  up with them disrupting my life!!.  And causing undue stress.

Believe it or not, in my area (TN) I have been to two different Wal-Marts where the door beeper has gone off as I was going *into* the store. This has ONLY been the issue in the past month or so, I have never had this problem before then.

Get real, comply?? What a little sheep you are. The man paid for his bag of goods. Walmart needs to make DRASTIC changes to their security policy and stop attacking their customers.

It reminds me very much of TSA at our airports, harrass the little guy, the customer..

Dosen't work. 1984

I worked as the "Asset Protection Associate" for some time with the company. I can tell you that the People Greeter was unprofessional and should have been reprimanded for his actions. Under NO circumstances should any associate every accuse a customer of shoplifting, moreorless attempt to make a stop on a customer, UNLESS an authorized associate (APA or Salaried member of management) witnesses selection, concealment, AND passing last point of sale (register) before exiting the store with merchandise. That is Walmart policy on stopping shoplifters, exceeding state law (which does not require witness, just reasonable cause).

The EAS system (which Walmart uses) is designed to: (a) deter "wannabe" shoplifters (not catch, not accuse innocent shoppers) and (b) monitor productivity of the Cashiers and People Greeters. Cashiers should be deactivating ALL merchandise scanned through the Point of Sale and People Greeters should check receipts and address when the EAS system beeps. (The only reason Greeters are checking receipts in the first place is to see if anything purchased may have EAS tags, and if so, deactivate those tags, not to call you a thief) The system alone CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be used to identify a theft, because of RJ's situation. Therefore, these devices should not be considered theft detection devices. Also, the "reasonable cause" clause should not fit into this category, because, again, the beeps DO NOT indicate a theft. Skilled shoplifters can and do bypass EAS systems, so as far as deterrence, it doesn't work. I won't get into how they do it, as that is a liability.

Just to cover other points:

- "Your buddy" JP was trying to make light of this situation, probably because he knew Tony messed up. Credit cards don't set it off.

- The policies and procedures are pretty cut and dry, Tony just messed up and violated policy.

- 40% is a ridiculous exaggeration. That's insane. If there was that much theft at that Walmart store, you'd see police officers (off-duty or volunteer deputies) as security.

- Merchandise CAN be deactivated with sensors in the box. It may be harder than it used to be, but they can be, and are (well, most of the time).

Honestly, like many have already mentioned, this all could have been avoided, but it's the principle and I get that.

Thank you for being you RJ, you are not alone. If Tony would off called me a thief, he would of been filling the law suite!

First of all let me start by saying that i do not agree with what the door greeter did. It was absolutely wrong. He should not have ever called you a thief and secondly a door greeter is not allowed to chase a customer out the door. Only security is allowed to do that and they are not allowed to attempt to stop you until you went through the security system. On top of that they had to personally had to see you steal the stuff or they can't stop you. They can not take another employee's word for it. That is Wal-mart policy.
However, by refusing to stop you made this situation worse than it had to be. it could have been easily solved by simply stopping. Even though "checkpoint Charlie" (by the way greeters have a name. You should try looking at his or her badge once in a while.) reacted extremely poorly and against his training you need to understand that he/she is just trying to do his job. Whether or not the security system malfunctions if it beeps it is his job to ask you to stop. If he/she is caught on tape letting you go or not making a good enough attempt and the merchandise turns out to be stolen then he/she could be coached or fired. On the chain of great wally importance door greeters are at the bottom doing one of the most thankless jobs for the lowest pay level. Customers like you only make their day worse next time give the greeter a break. Besides if you aren't guilty of anything like you say then simply showing a piece of paper shouldn't have been a problem. By the way security devices inside boxes can be deactivated. There is a device on every register to do just that. I know because i was a cashier for 6 years. So either jp is dumb or you are guilty and lying so you can look good. which is it?

The wal-mart employee Is what Is wrong In, today society. You just don't call a custormer a thief unless you have proof, they stole stuff. That goes ground for a big lawsuit.


Wal-mart employees think they are hot crap, cause they work for wal-mart.


That does not give them the right, to call them a thief infront of everybody.


They have no right to do that buyer beware. And ya'll are turing this complaint upside down.


And that wal-mart employee who yelled, he Is a thief should be fired from wal-mart. Cause he didn't have any evidence.


Him & wal-wart could be sued for slander & defamation of character.

A company has the right to have it's policies and procedures. If you do not agree with them, you have the right to not shop at that store. You do not have the right to change policies just because you are a grumpy old man.

You obviously intended for a confrontation and you deserve what you got. You should be ashamed of yourself. If a customer refuses to follow procedures, especially after being asked to stop and show receipt, you should be called a thief.

If I was the manager on duty, I would apologize that you felt the way you did but our company policies have been in place for a long time and we follow our policies. You most definately have the right to not shop at our store and we would prefer you do not shop here if you do not want to follow our policies.

No different than Costco, that drives you thru the exit line and checks your cart and basket and marks your receipt and let's you exit.

Best Buy Electronics does the same thing, you show your receipt before you exit.

Again, companies have a right to protect their employees and stores.

Your freedoms were for you, not freedoms that you could change everyone else's freedoms. Businesses have the freedom to create policies and procedures they feel will assist them and their consumers.

A company has the right to have it's policies and procedures. If you do not agree with them, you have the right to not shop at that store. You do not have the right to change policies just because you are a grumpy old man.

You obviously intended for a confrontation and you deserve what you got. You should be ashamed of yourself. If a customer refuses to follow procedures, especially after being asked to stop and show receipt, you should be called a thief.

If I was the manager on duty, I would apologize that you felt the way you did but our company policies have been in place for a long time and we follow our policies. You most definately have the right to not shop at our store and we would prefer you do not shop here if you do not want to follow our policies.

No different than Costco, that drives you thru the exit line and checks your cart and basket and marks your receipt and let's you exit.

Best Buy Electronics does the same thing, you show your receipt before you exit.

Again, companies have a right to protect their employees and stores.

Your freedoms were for you, not freedoms that you could change everyone else's freedoms. Businesses have the freedom to create policies and procedures they feel will assist them and their consumers.

A company has the right to have it's policies and procedures. If you do not agree with them, you have the right to not shop at that store. You do not have the right to change policies just because you are a grumpy old man.

You obviously intended for a confrontation and you deserve what you got. You should be ashamed of yourself. If a customer refuses to follow procedures, especially after being asked to stop and show receipt, you should be called a thief.

If I was the manager on duty, I would apologize that you felt the way you did but our company policies have been in place for a long time and we follow our policies. You most definately have the right to not shop at our store and we would prefer you do not shop here if you do not want to follow our policies.

No different than Costco, that drives you thru the exit line and checks your cart and basket and marks your receipt and let's you exit.

Best Buy Electronics does the same thing, you show your receipt before you exit.

Again, companies have a right to protect their employees and stores.

Your freedoms were for you, not freedoms that you could change everyone else's freedoms. Businesses have the freedom to create policies and procedures they feel will assist them and their consumers.

A company has the right to have it's policies and procedures. If you do not agree with them, you have the right to not shop at that store. You do not have the right to change policies just because you are a grumpy old man.

You obviously intended for a confrontation and you deserve what you got. You should be ashamed of yourself. If a customer refuses to follow procedures, especially after being asked to stop and show receipt, you should be called a thief.

If I was the manager on duty, I would apologize that you felt the way you did but our company policies have been in place for a long time and we follow our policies. You most definately have the right to not shop at our store and we would prefer you do not shop here if you do not want to follow our policies.

No different than Costco, that drives you thru the exit line and checks your cart and basket and marks your receipt and let's you exit.

Best Buy Electronics does the same thing, you show your receipt before you exit.

Again, companies have a right to protect their employees and stores.

Your freedoms were for you, not freedoms that you could change everyone else's freedoms. Businesses have the freedom to create policies and procedures they feel will assist them and their consumers.

I would loved to punched that wal-mart employee. If they had come to me calling a thief after I paid for my stuff. That Is also harassment.


I have plenty of anger In me now, If someone tried to mess with me like that. I have kepted my anger inside me all my life. I would love to release It.


But one day If someone pushes me over the edge, I might no be able to hold my anger any longer.


I have been pushed to many times. This website has let me vent some of my anger.


But people like micheal, have pushed me over the edge to much.

I would loved to punched that wal-mart employee. If they had come to me calling a thief after I paid for my stuff. That Is also harassment.


I have plenty of anger In me now, If someone tried to mess with me like that. I have kepted my anger inside me all my life. I would love to release It.


But one day If someone pushes me over the edge, I might no be able to hold my anger any longer.


I have been pushed to many times. This website has let me vent some of my anger.


But people like micheal, have pushed me over the edge to much.

I would loved to punched that wal-mart employee. If they had come to me calling a thief after I paid for my stuff. That Is also harassment.


I have plenty of anger In me now, If someone tried to mess with me like that. I have kepted my anger inside me all my life. I would love to release It.


But one day If someone pushes me over the edge, I might no be able to hold my anger any longer.


I have been pushed to many times. This website has let me vent some of my anger.


But people like micheal, have pushed me over the edge to much.

All bullies like micheal get their s**t back. They use this site to build their ego buy, putting down others. When they are the ones with the self esteem.

They just hate It when I speak out. Well that Is my right. They need to shut up. If that wal-mart employee came up to me & fasely accused me of being a thief.


I would had punched them, I would not care If I went to jail or not. People like micheal hide behind a computer to personally insult people. People take alot of crap who report bad scum businesses.


Micheal Is scum himself. I don't have to put up with this, abuse & I am not going to.


People don't like It when I defend myself either.

I just can't wait for the day, when all the people who have been mean to me & treated me unfairly. When I haven't done nothing to anyone.


How would you like It micheal If someone called, you a thief. Would you control your anger. You are just a plain a*****e just like, everyone else on this site. But mark my words micheal you a*****e.


You will get your troubles to, when you treat people wrong. I have learned to ignore (a*****e punks) punks like yourself.


Just cause you don't have any problems, don't give you the right to make fun of other people or slam them.

I will have the last laugh a*****e. How can you people live with yourself. Have you realized buy now ya'll haven't destroyed me. Which ya'll are trying so hard to do.


I refuse to be ya'lls victim. I don't have to worry micheal, you are making yourself look bad.


But you are to stubborn & pig headed, like everyone else Is to realize that.

Please do go to Walmart and punch an employee, they do not have the internet in county jail.

Everything in this thread has been beaten to death several times over. Everyone knows many major retailers check receipts - no just Walmart. Anyone can whine all they want. It's for a reason because dorks steal from retailers. The whiners have yet to come up with a superior alternative to letting the public know they have to make the thieves wary. It sure is easy for kiddies like Charles to make juvenile comments, but Charles hasn't the brain to offer a better solution.

I would love to see the treatment of Charles when he socked the underpaid person for doing their job. Charles would be bawling in the back of the squad car all the way to the can. This entertainment will never happen, as Charles is too much a coward to make a scene in public. Charles also has the grammatical aptitude of a third grader, or perhaps is an under educated alien to the states. He can't even spell correctly the city name he lives!

Thanks for the laughs, Charlie. You've made it clear what a spineless shrimp you really are. Tough guy! Say....why don't you type back some more funnies defending yourself - after you have a good cry. We'll right off the typing and grammar errors as keyboard shorts from your tears. And, seriously Charlie, you really should seek help. Whatever it is...Dad badgered you on booze nights, or mommy smacking you up side the head too often, really is something you should get over. Don't you think?

I would had punched out the employee. For calling me a thief. Walmart sure Is getting power crazy. Walmart has bad custormer service. I would not even spend $1.00 In their store If that was all the money I had. Just for a drink.


That was just plain harassment what this, trash wal-mart employee did.

I have just come across this site and have really enjoyed reading both sides of this debate! Most of the posters seem well educated and have made intelligent, thought-provoking comments. However, the petty bickering and personal attacks made it less enjoyable. I understand there are likely some posters who are less popular but it seems that those of you who seem to have had the benefit of higher education could show your greater intelligence and education by ignoring the comments of those who have not been so fortunate or kindly responding.

I agree with one poster that it is inconvenient to have to dig a receipt out of a stuffed wallet to prove that merchandise is paid for. I also find the argument that proving ownership on previously made purchases could become a slippery slope. One day I threw a container of powdered drink mix into my purse to drop-off at a friend's house. I forgot that it was in there when my husband and I made a quick trip to Walmart. We were at the check-out counter when I remembered. I asked him to pay and went to the car. Luckily for me they don't put anti-theft devices on drink mix. I would have been ashamed and humiliated if I had been asked to prove ownership of the drink mix.

I have just come across this site and have really enjoyed reading both sides of this debate! Most of the posters seem well educated and have made intelligent, thought-provoking comments. However, the petty bickering and personal attacks made it less enjoyable. I understand there are likely some posters who are less popular but it seems that those of you who seem to have had the benefit of higher education could show your greater intelligence and education by ignoring the comments of those who have not been so fortunate or kindly responding.

I agree with one poster that it is inconvenient to have to dig a receipt out of a stuffed wallet to prove that merchandise is paid for. I also find the argument that proving ownership on previously made purchases could become a slippery slope. One day I threw a container of powdered drink mix into my purse to drop-off at a friend's house. I forgot that it was in there when my husband and I made a quick trip to Walmart. We were at the check-out counter when I remembered. I asked him to pay and went to the car. Luckily for me they don't put anti-theft devices on drink mix. I would have been ashamed and humiliated if I had been asked to prove ownership of the drink mix.

I have just come across this site and have really enjoyed reading both sides of this debate! Most of the posters seem well educated and have made intelligent, thought-provoking comments. However, the petty bickering and personal attacks made it less enjoyable. I understand there are likely some posters who are less popular but it seems that those of you who seem to have had the benefit of higher education could show your greater intelligence and education by ignoring the comments of those who have not been so fortunate or kindly responding.

I agree with one poster that it is inconvenient to have to dig a receipt out of a stuffed wallet to prove that merchandise is paid for. I also find the argument that proving ownership on previously made purchases could become a slippery slope. One day I threw a container of powdered drink mix into my purse to drop-off at a friend's house. I forgot that it was in there when my husband and I made a quick trip to Walmart. We were at the check-out counter when I remembered. I asked him to pay and went to the car. Luckily for me they don't put anti-theft devices on drink mix. I would have been ashamed and humiliated if I had been asked to prove ownership of the drink mix.

I have just come across this site and have really enjoyed reading both sides of this debate! Most of the posters seem well educated and have made intelligent, thought-provoking comments. However, the petty bickering and personal attacks made it less enjoyable. I understand there are likely some posters who are less popular but it seems that those of you who seem to have had the benefit of higher education could show your greater intelligence and education by ignoring the comments of those who have not been so fortunate or kindly responding.

I agree with one poster that it is inconvenient to have to dig a receipt out of a stuffed wallet to prove that merchandise is paid for. I also find the argument that proving ownership on previously made purchases could become a slippery slope. One day I threw a container of powdered drink mix into my purse to drop-off at a friend's house. I forgot that it was in there when my husband and I made a quick trip to Walmart. We were at the check-out counter when I remembered. I asked him to pay and went to the car. Luckily for me they don't put anti-theft devices on drink mix. I would have been ashamed and humiliated if I had been asked to prove ownership of the drink mix.

Joe,

I won't go into a long diatribe here as I already did so on the other Wal-Mart report. I will simply say this. Wal-Mart (or any store for that matter) can ask me for all the receipts they want. But they have NO LEGAL RIGHT to detain me, unless they have proof that I shoplifted something. Any attempt to detain me illegally will result in a hefty lawsuit against both the store and the person who detained me.

Everybody has to be scanned at the exit.

I SHOP IN OUR LOCAL WAL-MART A LOT.

I KNOW EVERYBODY THERE. I STILL HAVE TO BE SCANNED ON MY WAY OUT.

I SHOW THEM THE MERCHANDISE AND I SHOW THEM MY RECEIPT.

I HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO DID NOT SCAN THE CD I BOUGHT AND IT BEEPED. I WAITED THERE UNTIL THEY RESOLVED THE PROBLEM.

IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS A CD OR AN ELECTRONICS PRODUCT THAT BEEPS IN MY CASE.

I SHOW THEM THE ITEM AND I SHOW THEM THE RECEIPT WHERE I PAID FOR IT!

THE PROBLEM GETS RESOLVED WHILE I STAND THERE AND THEN I GO HOME.
SHOPLIFTING IS REALLY DUMB SO I DON'T DO IT.

IF I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO THERE, I STAY THE HELL OUT.

AND DON'T BLAME THE PEOPLE FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

THEY DO THIS TO EVERYBODY! THEY DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AT THE WAL-MART WHERE I SHOP.

THEY DO IT TO EVERY BODY --GENDER, RACE, ETHNICITY, RELIGION --THEY DON'T GIVE A d**n ---THEY DO IT TO EVERYBODY! INCLUDING ME.
AND YOU.

IT IS JUST A FEW MINUTES EXTRA UNTIL THEY GET THE MATTER RESOLVED. IT GIVES THEM A JOB.

Everybody has to be scanned at the exit.

I SHOP IN OUR LOCAL WAL-MART A LOT.

I KNOW EVERYBODY THERE. I STILL HAVE TO BE SCANNED ON MY WAY OUT.

I SHOW THEM THE MERCHANDISE AND I SHOW THEM MY RECEIPT.

I HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO DID NOT SCAN THE CD I BOUGHT AND IT BEEPED. I WAITED THERE UNTIL THEY RESOLVED THE PROBLEM.

IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS A CD OR AN ELECTRONICS PRODUCT THAT BEEPS IN MY CASE.

I SHOW THEM THE ITEM AND I SHOW THEM THE RECEIPT WHERE I PAID FOR IT!

THE PROBLEM GETS RESOLVED WHILE I STAND THERE AND THEN I GO HOME.
SHOPLIFTING IS REALLY DUMB SO I DON'T DO IT.

IF I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO THERE, I STAY THE HELL OUT.

AND DON'T BLAME THE PEOPLE FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

THEY DO THIS TO EVERYBODY! THEY DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AT THE WAL-MART WHERE I SHOP.

THEY DO IT TO EVERY BODY --GENDER, RACE, ETHNICITY, RELIGION --THEY DON'T GIVE A d**n ---THEY DO IT TO EVERYBODY! INCLUDING ME.
AND YOU.

IT IS JUST A FEW MINUTES EXTRA UNTIL THEY GET THE MATTER RESOLVED. IT GIVES THEM A JOB.

Everybody has to be scanned at the exit.

I SHOP IN OUR LOCAL WAL-MART A LOT.

I KNOW EVERYBODY THERE. I STILL HAVE TO BE SCANNED ON MY WAY OUT.

I SHOW THEM THE MERCHANDISE AND I SHOW THEM MY RECEIPT.

I HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO DID NOT SCAN THE CD I BOUGHT AND IT BEEPED. I WAITED THERE UNTIL THEY RESOLVED THE PROBLEM.

IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS A CD OR AN ELECTRONICS PRODUCT THAT BEEPS IN MY CASE.

I SHOW THEM THE ITEM AND I SHOW THEM THE RECEIPT WHERE I PAID FOR IT!

THE PROBLEM GETS RESOLVED WHILE I STAND THERE AND THEN I GO HOME.
SHOPLIFTING IS REALLY DUMB SO I DON'T DO IT.

IF I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO THERE, I STAY THE HELL OUT.

AND DON'T BLAME THE PEOPLE FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

THEY DO THIS TO EVERYBODY! THEY DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AT THE WAL-MART WHERE I SHOP.

THEY DO IT TO EVERY BODY --GENDER, RACE, ETHNICITY, RELIGION --THEY DON'T GIVE A d**n ---THEY DO IT TO EVERYBODY! INCLUDING ME.
AND YOU.

IT IS JUST A FEW MINUTES EXTRA UNTIL THEY GET THE MATTER RESOLVED. IT GIVES THEM A JOB.

Everybody has to be scanned at the exit.

I SHOP IN OUR LOCAL WAL-MART A LOT.

I KNOW EVERYBODY THERE. I STILL HAVE TO BE SCANNED ON MY WAY OUT.

I SHOW THEM THE MERCHANDISE AND I SHOW THEM MY RECEIPT.

I HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO DID NOT SCAN THE CD I BOUGHT AND IT BEEPED. I WAITED THERE UNTIL THEY RESOLVED THE PROBLEM.

IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS A CD OR AN ELECTRONICS PRODUCT THAT BEEPS IN MY CASE.

I SHOW THEM THE ITEM AND I SHOW THEM THE RECEIPT WHERE I PAID FOR IT!

THE PROBLEM GETS RESOLVED WHILE I STAND THERE AND THEN I GO HOME.
SHOPLIFTING IS REALLY DUMB SO I DON'T DO IT.

IF I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO THERE, I STAY THE HELL OUT.

AND DON'T BLAME THE PEOPLE FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

THEY DO THIS TO EVERYBODY! THEY DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AT THE WAL-MART WHERE I SHOP.

THEY DO IT TO EVERY BODY --GENDER, RACE, ETHNICITY, RELIGION --THEY DON'T GIVE A d**n ---THEY DO IT TO EVERYBODY! INCLUDING ME.
AND YOU.

IT IS JUST A FEW MINUTES EXTRA UNTIL THEY GET THE MATTER RESOLVED. IT GIVES THEM A JOB.

'Its the businesses who are the theives and scammers'

>> And yet, you can't even remotely prove this lie.

'Its the businesses & collection who are the theives, well It doesn't bother me that you call me on cause I am not.'

>> Why do you repeat yourself as it will not make the lie ome true and yues,you do care about being exposed. Why do you keep lying about his?

'And your attempt to make me look bad buy calling me one isn't working either.'

>> It's not an attempt. It is a proven hard case. With your very own words at that. That's what makes it so easy and fun.

'The businesses & collection agencie are the real thieves not us consumer, who you attack on a day to day basises.'

>> Why do you repeat your lies over and over as they will still not ever come true? Posting the truth and exposing your lies and fraud is not really any kind of 'attack'. It is just stating fact that you have yet to prove otherwise because you can't.

'You are the one who Is spreading lies & slandering consumers, on this site.'

>> And yet again, you have not one piece of evidence to back this up thus making it yet another of your many lies. I don't make you lie and steal deadbeat, you do it yourself.

'Its these businesses who steal from people & scam people, then us consumers get wrongfully accused.'

>> And what would you know about any of this as this has never ever happened to you as has been proven by many people? Why do you keep trying to lumping innocent people into your fraud?

'Well I refused to be a victim, so continue to accuse me of things john.'

>> Yet, you pretend to be one every single day hoping to get something for free besides our tax money. I can back up my accusations. You can not as has been proven.

'You are an a******

>> Yes, most frauds feel the same way when they get exposed for all to see.

'I think you have no life cause you are on here everyday, slandering people who you do not.'

>> You are the one here everyday slandering the people/companies that you rip off deadbeat. YOU are the one posting fraudulent reports and lying. I have simply stated facts as they were typed here by you. I did not make you type them. It just kills you that you are exposed.


'I am not scared but what you say because Its not true.'

>> And yet you are. Why do you keep lying?

'So piss of liar. Pig.'

>> And yet, you can't find anything I have lied about, yet I have proven that you lie. Pretty funny.

I see you still have reading comprehension problems yet you try to platy with the adults.
Answer the questions deadbeat:

- Why do you keep posting in a Walmart report that you said you'd stop posting in? (another lie by you BTW)
- Why do you keep posting in reports for companies you say you will never do business with again (they won that one)?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you on meds? Which is the lie? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?

I know you can't as that would mean you have to admit to lying and being a fraud. You should just admit it and get it over wth already.

Its the businesses & collection who are the theives, well It doesn't bother me that you call me on cause I am not. And your attempt to make me look bad buy calling me one isn't working either.


The businesses & collection agencie are the real thieves not us consumer, who you attack on a day to day basises.


You are the one who Is spreading lies & slandering consumers, on this site.

Its these businesses who steal from people & scam people, then us consumers get wrongfully accused.


Well I refused to be a victim, so continue to accuse me of things john. You are an a*****e.

I think you have no life cause you are on here everyday, slandering people who you do not.


I am not scared but what you say because Its not true. So piss of liar. Pig.

Its the businesses & collection who are the theives, well It doesn't bother me that you call me on cause I am not. And your attempt to make me look bad buy calling me one isn't working either.


The businesses & collection agencie are the real thieves not us consumer, who you attack on a day to day basises.


You are the one who Is spreading lies & slandering consumers, on this site.

Its these businesses who steal from people & scam people, then us consumers get wrongfully accused.


Well I refused to be a victim, so continue to accuse me of things john. You are an a*****e.

I think you have no life cause you are on here everyday, slandering people who you do not.


I am not scared but what you say because Its not true. So piss of liar. Pig.

An d since your fraudulent reports are from 3 years ago, it has nothing to do with now except you still haven't sold the computer to pay people/companies you owe money to.

'You are just like all these other naysayers on this site who thinks they know everybody & everything.'

>> Everyone knows far more than you. Even my dog asked what the f**k your problem was.

'I am not a liar or a deadbeat.'

>> You ARE and it's been proven. Why are you on a computer posting lies on the internet when YOU OWE people money and haven't sold the computer and canceled the internet so you can pay these people/companies?

'People have fallen on hardtimes & gotten behind on there bills doesn't mean they are a deadbeat.'

>> But that's not you. You have never even had a job and steal our tax money. You then buy things you can not afford to pay for (or shouldn't be buying like your dresses and panties off QVC, the computer you perpetrate your fraud on), then don't pay for them, then make excuses and lies. That is the definition of a deadbeat. Which is you.

'Its time you get that In your head.'

>> What? That you are a lying deadbeat? We already know that.

'I am not posting lies I am posting the truth, you & others fight me every step of the way to keep me quiet, buy calling me a liar & a deadbeat.'

>> Why do you continue to lie? I have posted PROOF that you do. That's why you can't answer the questions I post. You HAVE to lie to answer them. You caught yourslef up in all your lies. You have posted NO PROOF to any of your accusation because you can't as you are lying.

'This Is why the real frauds, scammers & theives, get away with this because of you.'

>> We know you are getting away with your false reports and stealing our tax money but you will be caught and pay in the end.

'So you calling be a liar & deadbeat, doesn't affect me or bother me.'

>> It certainly does as you try awful hard to convince people otherwise but your own words get you in trouble.

'You don't know anything.'

>> We know a hell of a lot more than you will ever know.

'I don't care about you or anybody else.'

>> Yet you do. Why do you lie?

'So you need to go back to your life, & quit acting like you know about everyones personal life & there situations.'

>> But you've posted them for all to see. Only, we know they are lies as has been proven.

'Which you call everyone a liar on this website.'

>> Why do you keep posting lies about people? Please post proof as has been asked of you time and time again. I can post the proof that you are a liar. Why can't you post proof that LVLegal allegedly 'calls everyone a liar'? Because it is another lie from you.


'Mabye you need to go to a mirror.'

>> No, you need to. Then you'll know who the real problem in your 'life' really is.

'Why should I care what strangers think.'

>> Yet you do as you're trying to make believe you know what you are talking about.

'The only reason why strangers get upset, because the real, scammers, frauds, & bad businesses are being exposed on this website.'

>>And this is why I expose you at every chance I get. You have no idea what a 'bad business' is as you have never ever dealt with one.


'So you try to discredt & make the poster of the report look bad, like how you are doing to me. Well Its not going to work.'

Were did LVLegal try and make the original poster look bad? Why do you need to lie time and time again? YOU DO LIE and it has been proven. Huge difference. It does work. Many people are not being misled by your fraud.

Now, answer the questions deadbeat:

- Why do you keep posting in a Walmart report that you said you'd stop posting in? (another lie by you BTW)
- Why do you keep posting in reports for companies you say you will never do business with again (they won that one)?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you on meds? Which is the lie? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?

People end up In hardtimes. During these days & get behind on there bills threw situations they had no control over.


Then these strangers on this website call you a deabeat & a liar. And they don't even know you.


I have not lied about anything, & I do not care what people think. Or try to keep me quiet.

'You are just like all these other naysayers on this site who thinks they know everybody & everything.'

>> Everyone knows far more than you. Even my dog asked what the f**k your problem was.

'I am not a liar or a deadbeat.'

>> You ARE and it's been proven. Why are you on a computer posting lies on the internet when YOU OWE people money and haven't sold the computer and canceled the internet so you can pay these people/companies?

'People have fallen on hardtimes & gotten behind on there bills doesn't mean they are a deadbeat.'

>> But that's not you. You have never even had a job and steal our tax money. You then buy things you can not afford to pay for (or shouldn't be buying like your dresses and panties off QVC, the computer you perpetrate your fraud on), then don't pay for them, then make excuses and lies. That is the definition of a deadbeat. Which is you.

'Its time you get that In your head.'

>> What? That you are a lying deadbeat? We already know that.

'I am not posting lies I am posting the truth, you & others fight me every step of the way to keep me quiet, buy calling me a liar & a deadbeat.'

>> Why do you continue to lie? I have posted PROOF that you do. That's why you can't answer the questions I post. You HAVE to lie to answer them. You caught yourslef up in all your lies. You have posted NO PROOF to any of your accusation because you can't as you are lying.

'This Is why the real frauds, scammers & theives, get away with this because of you.'

>> We know you are getting away with your false reports and stealing our tax money but you will be caught and pay in the end.

'So you calling be a liar & deadbeat, doesn't affect me or bother me.'

>> It certainly does as you try awful hard to convince people otherwise but your own words get you in trouble.

'You don't know anything.'

>> We know a hell of a lot more than you will ever know.

'I don't care about you or anybody else.'

>> Yet you do. Why do you lie?

'So you need to go back to your life, & quit acting like you know about everyones personal life & there situations.'

>> But you've posted them for all to see. Only, we know they are lies as has been proven.

'Which you call everyone a liar on this website.'

>> Why do you keep posting lies about people? Please post proof as has been asked of you time and time again. I can post the proof that you are a liar. Why can't you post proof that LVLegal allegedly 'calls everyone a liar'? Because it is another lie from you.


'Mabye you need to go to a mirror.'

>> No, you need to. Then you'll know who the real problem in your 'life' really is.

'Why should I care what strangers think.'

>> Yet you do as you're trying to make believe you know what you are talking about.

'The only reason why strangers get upset, because the real, scammers, frauds, & bad businesses are being exposed on this website.'

>>And this is why I expose you at every chance I get. You have no idea what a 'bad business' is as you have never ever dealt with one.


'So you try to discredt & make the poster of the report look bad, like how you are doing to me. Well Its not going to work.'

Were did LVLegal try and make the original poster look bad? Why do you need to lie time and time again? YOU DO LIE and it has been proven. Huge difference. It does work. Many people are not being misled by your fraud.

Now, answer the questions deadbeat:

- Why do you keep posting in a Walmart report that you said you'd stop posting in? (another lie by you BTW)
- Why do you keep posting in reports for companies you say you will never do business with again (they won that one)?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim? (another lie you have been caught in)
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report? (another lie you have been caught in)
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you on meds? Which is the lie? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies? (another lie you have been caught in)
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?

"You don't know anything. I don't care about you or anybody else."

Oh, I'd say I know a lot, especially when compared to you. Like spelling, for instance.

"So you need to go back to your life, & quit acting like you know about everyones personal life & there situations. Which you call everyone a liar on this website."

Everyone? Really? I call everyone a liar on this site, eh? You certainly do have a grasp for hyperbole. I call YOU a liar- that's it.

"Mabye you need to go to a mirror. Why should I care what strangers think."

Way to recycle MY thought there, buddy. Very original.

"So you try to discredt & make the poster of the report look bad, like how you are doing to me. Well Its not going to work."

Nope. I only called YOU a liar. The rests of my posts in this thread posted state statutes and clarified the application of the Fourth Amendment. That was for anyone who seemed to be applying it incorrectly. I did as well, until I studied constitutional law. You made YOURSELF look bad, as you ALWAYS do.

You are just like all these other naysayers on this site who thinks they know everybody & everything. I am not a liar or a deadbeat. People have fallen on hardtimes & gotten behind on there bills doesn't mean they are a deadbeat.

Its time you get that In your head. I am not posting lies I am posting the truth, you & others fight me every step of the way to keep me quiet, buy calling me a liar & a deadbeat.

This Is why the real frauds, scammers & theives, get away with this because of you.

So you calling be a liar & deadbeat, doesn't affect me or bother me.

You don't know anything. I don't care about you or anybody else.

So you need to go back to your life, & quit acting like you know about everyones personal life & there situations. Which you call everyone a liar on this website.


Mabye you need to go to a mirror. Why should I care what strangers think.

The only reason why strangers get upset, because the real, scammers, frauds, & bad businesses are being exposed on this website.


So you try to discredt & make the poster of the report look bad, like how you are doing to me. Well Its not going to work.

'I don't care what people think.'

>> Yet you do as here you are crying again posting another of your many lies.

'I know the truth & that Is all that matters.'

>> When are you finally going to post it? Or are you just leeching off me again and relying on the truth I post about you?

'John might scare other people.'

>> Not once have I said 'boo'. I certainly don't see where informing people of the truth is scaring anyone. You are the one posting fraud as has been proven with your own words.


'But I am not scare to keep exposing the truth about bad businesses.'

>> You never have as you have never ever dealt with a 'bad business'.

Please answer these questions about your proven lies. We're all waiting:

- Why do you keep posting in a Walmart report that you said you'd stop posting in?
- Why do you keep posting in reports for companies you say you will never do business with again (they won that one)?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in?
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute?
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim?
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim?
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim?
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time?
- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money?
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report?
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money?
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you not on meds? Which is the lie?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies?
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?

I don't care what people think. I know the truth & that Is all that matters. John might scare other people.


But I am not scare to keep exposing the truth about bad businesses.

'Why should I let people treat me like crap'

>> But no one has. Just because you are exposed as the lying fraud you are is not treating anyone 'like crap'. You do, however, spew crap so maybe it does fit.

'This Is to patrick you say I have problems In society.'

>> And he is correct.

'Why should I let people treat me like crap or abuse me, then when I don't take there abuse they get mad @ me.'

>> Again, exposing your lies and fraud is not abuse. Though, most leeching scammers like yourself can't stand the fact that you get exposed so easily by your very own words. The only thing people are mad at is the fact that you steal our tax money.

'Nobody should have to take abuse.'

>> You're right, we should not be abuse by your lies and fraud. That's why you are being exposed on a daily basis.


'I get It patrick businesses are allowed to cheat us & steal from us.'

>> And yet you would have no idea about this as it's never happened to you as has been proven time and time again.

'And employers can ruin anyones career on purpose cause they have the power to.'

>> And you have proof of this where? You have never had a job and you were not there when mommy got canned for being unable to perform a simple job so what facts do you have to back up this lie?


'Another thing patrick when an employer terminates someone unjustly & lies about them, doesn't help this economy either.'

>> How would you know? It's never happened to you. Why do you continue to lie and make believe you have a clue as to what you are talking about?


'I know all don't think I know what I am talking about, but this Is why everything In a mess.'

>> You're right, you have no idea what you talk about but you are the one that creates the mess.

Now, answer the legitimate questions that have been asked of you:

_ Why do you keep posting in a Walmart report that you said you'd stop posting in?
_ Why do you keep posting in reports for companies you say you will never do business with again (they won that one)?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in?
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute?
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim?
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim?
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim?
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time?
- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money?
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report?
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money?
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you not on meds? Which is the lie?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies?
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?

"I know all don't think I know what I am talking about, but this Is why everything In a mess."

Deciphering these postings gives me a migraine but I was able to zero in on this little gem. Yes, Charles, the first half of this sentence is precisely correct.

And when you put the second half of the sentence together with the first half and take it out of the context in which, I think, it was originally intended, you get a much more accurate statement: we don't think he knows what he's talking about and that is, indeed, why all of his 'contributions' are a mess.

This Is to patrick you say I have problems In society. Why should I let people treat me like crap or abuse me, then when I don't take there abuse they get mad @ me. Nobody should have to take abuse.


I get It patrick businesses are allowed to cheat us & steal from us. And employers can ruin anyones career on purpose cause they have the power to.


Another thing patrick when an employer terminates someone unjustly & lies about them, doesn't help this economy either.


I know all don't think I know what I am talking about, but this Is why everything In a mess.

This Is to patrick you say I have problems In society. Why should I let people treat me like crap or abuse me, then when I don't take there abuse they get mad @ me. Nobody should have to take abuse.


I get It patrick businesses are allowed to cheat us & steal from us. And employers can ruin anyones career on purpose cause they have the power to.


Another thing patrick when an employer terminates someone unjustly & lies about them, doesn't help this economy either.


I know all don't think I know what I am talking about, but this Is why everything In a mess.

This Is to patrick you say I have problems In society. Why should I let people treat me like crap or abuse me, then when I don't take there abuse they get mad @ me. Nobody should have to take abuse.


I get It patrick businesses are allowed to cheat us & steal from us. And employers can ruin anyones career on purpose cause they have the power to.


Another thing patrick when an employer terminates someone unjustly & lies about them, doesn't help this economy either.


I know all don't think I know what I am talking about, but this Is why everything In a mess.

This Is to patrick you say I have problems In society. Why should I let people treat me like crap or abuse me, then when I don't take there abuse they get mad @ me. Nobody should have to take abuse.


I get It patrick businesses are allowed to cheat us & steal from us. And employers can ruin anyones career on purpose cause they have the power to.


Another thing patrick when an employer terminates someone unjustly & lies about them, doesn't help this economy either.


I know all don't think I know what I am talking about, but this Is why everything In a mess.

I think that's one of your best posts ever Charles. It's like 5:30 in the morning and you started my day off with a laugh. I think it'll make me smile EVERY time I see it, so thanks for that. Keep in mind Charles whenever you are complaining that you don't seem to believe others are entitled to the same basic rights you are and the implications of that (I just lost my smile for a minute).

To patrick I get along pretty well with society, Its the problem whom who have a problem with us. - You get along with society? Charles, you seem to have a problem with everyone. Even the most basic things seem to turn into a fiasco for you. Since it doesn't happen to EVERYONE, what might be the major factors when it comes to you?
You seem to have a problem with me patrick a person you do not know, until people start giving me crap for no reason or causing drama like you & others have - What? Drama with Charles? No.
But I will not get out of society because you don't want or other people to get along with me. Why should I get along with anybody who doesn't want to get along with me. - When have you ever even offered anyone the consideration of weighing their opinions if it did not match yours? Answered basic, polite questions when asked straight out. When have you ever tried to get along with anyone on here unless they 100% agree with you? There are plenty of us who have tried (and we get a rude reply or ignored for the effort).
And no patrick I do not have to take being taken advantage of from any business or landlord. If a employer doesn't like me I would tell them to 'f**k off'. And anyone else who has a problem with me. - Yep, that about says it. If someone doesn't agree with you or tries to explain or inject some reason or be helpful that's pretty much your attitude it seems.
Because I bother nobody patrick to get this type treatment. I rather not have any friends.- You bother no one? Your Cali report BOTHERS me. You offended me and until that point I tried to have some patience with you, maybe I will again at some point but not yet. Have you ever thought about how many people YOU offended and now dislike the reaction to,once again, you're OWN actions and/or statements? I'm sure other's have their own opinions on whether or not you bother them. Sit and think about how that might happen for a few minutes Charles.
*just my opinions*

To patrick I get along pretty well with society, Its the problem whom who have a problem with us. But It doesn't give them the right to ruin someones career because a employer does not like anyone.


You seem to have a problem with me patrick a person you do not know, until people start giving me crap for no reason or causing drama like you & others have then I have a problem.


But I will not get out of society because you don't want or other people to get along with me. Why should I get along with anybody who doesn't want to get along with me.


Employers or anybody do not have the right to lie about your, trying to ruin someones career on purpose. Then you have the nerve to tell me Its my fault why I have problems with society No I do not have to put up with taken any crap from anyone.


And no patrick I do not have to take being taken advantage of from any business or landlord. If a employer doesn't like me I would tell them to "f**k off". And anyone else who has a problem with me.


Because I bother nobody patrick to get this type treatment. I rather not have any friends. And another thing patrick, a employer does not have the right. To try to ruin your career on purpose.


Why should I care what these strangers tell me on rip-off report.


A employer does not have the right to try to ruin your career on purpose.


Please patrick move on to somebody else. I am tired of It.

To patrick I get along pretty well with society, Its the problem whom who have a problem with us. But It doesn't give them the right to ruin someones career because a employer does not like anyone.


You seem to have a problem with me patrick a person you do not know, until people start giving me crap for no reason or causing drama like you & others have then I have a problem.


But I will not get out of society because you don't want or other people to get along with me. Why should I get along with anybody who doesn't want to get along with me.


Employers or anybody do not have the right to lie about your, trying to ruin someones career on purpose. Then you have the nerve to tell me Its my fault why I have problems with society No I do not have to put up with taken any crap from anyone.


And no patrick I do not have to take being taken advantage of from any business or landlord. If a employer doesn't like me I would tell them to "f**k off". And anyone else who has a problem with me.


Because I bother nobody patrick to get this type treatment. I rather not have any friends. And another thing patrick, a employer does not have the right. To try to ruin your career on purpose.


Why should I care what these strangers tell me on rip-off report.


A employer does not have the right to try to ruin your career on purpose.

Andromeda,

I fear you are not well read enough to know much about the people John is 'attacking'. And while the RipOff Report does provide a 'safe haven' for those with legitimate complaints, there are those few 'special people' who post reports here that are simply outlandish. Here's just a few of them:

Rita in Ohio. Have you read all the nonsense this lady posts? I mean really, this stuff goes back to 1992 for goodness sakes, and the Ohio Medical Board findings seem to be spot on. This lady has a serious mental condition and it shows in the shear number of outlandish reports she's filed on this site.

Charles in Alabama. Charles is special. It seems that both he and his mother have absolutely no clue how to get along with society in general. Charles got turned down from work at Schneider, and immediately cries discrimination. He simply did not meet their hiring requirements. And take a look at the number of reports he's posted acting as his mother Kathy. Yet he wonders why he gets berated from so many here on ROR. Yes indeed, Charles is special.

Robert in Ohio (what is it about Ohio?). Robert had his 'yacht' seized and sold in Key West because he owed thousands in back dockage. And he's gone on a rampage here having posted well over 75 reports against anyone and everyone who had anything at all to do with his situation (and against several companies who had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it).

So you see, there are always those 'special people' who are dealt with here as necessary. And like I always tell Charles, you can't always trust everything posted on this website. I've seen many others that have turned out to be complete frauds, posting reports simply to get back at a former employer or business competitor.

"Gee, Andromeda..."

"seems like your post here (and most of your posts I've seen) are nothing but attacks against people. Amd yet you complain about John. Pot=kettle."

A Pot, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, is very clearly defined as a particular attacker who repeatedly attacks the SAME 'TROUBLED' RipOffReport AUTHOR. Therefore Pot != John. If you had read the RipOffReport policy above, talking about the PROTECTION of AUTHORS, and the postings that I listed, you would have make the correct connection easily.

"By the way Charles (supposedly) is a him not a her so you may want to check your facts before you post."

You just misunderstood that. Sorry I should have been much more clear. Read the RipOffReports listed above. It refers to Rita, not Charles.

By the way, I like you. Please don't get caught in the crossfire!

seems like your post here (and most of your posts I've seen) are nothing but attacks against people. Amd yet you complain about John. Pot=kettle.
By the way Charles (supposedly) is a him not a her so you may want to check your facts before you post.

John
Califon, New Jersey
U.S.A.

Now that you have heard from John, you should be 'informed' as HE would say, on the some of his other postings on this Website.

The following is just my opinion, and may or may not, be shared by other individuals.

From his own RipOffReport medical related postings, 'Dr John' is very good at 'kicking' other unfortunate individuals while they are down, and that he must get a lot of satisfaction in doing so. He seems to know exactly what everyone is thinking, and what their motives of everyone are. He also appears to know when certain medical tests should be given and by whom. However he cannot answer a single simple question regarding the reasons for the tests, when they are needed, or why they should be given.

His purpose does not at all appear to be to educate anyone, it seems to be to cause more misery to an unfortunate fellow human being. Seemingly for his own sick pleasure.

The current operator and founder of RipOffReport.com has posted the following statement as part of the mission statement of RipOffReport.com:

I have capitalized key points for 'Dr John' 'alias' 'Dr Interested Person' several times. Here it is again, as the 'doctor' has repeatedly 'proven that he cannot read or understand written information longer than a few words:

START OF QUOTE
'If you are familiar with this site, as you seem to be, you will know that we are dedicated to the plight of victims. In the event a victim comes to this site for safe harbor to obtain support/solutions, we are further dedicated to precluding further victimization by attorneys, corporate shills, or HEARTLESS BASTARDS who just DON'T CARE WHO THEY ATTACK. We may get more than a little vigorous, but it is important that all victims understand that these waters are TRULY FRIENDLY.'
END OF QUOTE

Why not just ask 'Dr John' why he would continue to break the RipOffReport 'safe haven' rules, just to be "amused by, or to take pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering" of an unfortunate human being? Go ahead, just ask him.

He does this by following her around, apparently only to keep repeatedly harassing and attacking her without ever being able to provide any new information each time. This mental condition is well documented as shown below. Anyone can look it up on the Internet.

The following is an EXERP From the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders; DSM-III-R:

SADISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER is a pervasive pattern of cruel, demeaning, and aggressive behavior, beginning by early adulthood, as indicated by the repeated occurrence of at least four of the following:

Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others.

Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly.

Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals).

Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal).

Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror).

The behavior has not been directed toward only one person.

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'Dr John' likes to list all of the ripOffReports that his unfortunate victim has posted, evidently to further humiliate his victim. I will follow HIS lead here!

The following RipOffReports, in my opinion, reveal 'Dr John's' mental condition, as similar to that described above in the DSM-III-R:

434444
385630
329263
372660
361519
385263
332688
268648
332122
387129

The above is just my opinion, and may or may not, be shared by other individuals.

...is this person still posting the same repetitive nonsense?

I know you have none, but logic helps in understanding this simple situation. Take the size of a Wal-Mart. Now take the quantity of security cameras it would take to ensure complete coverage of the store. Now take salary requirements (that would be overhead) for sufficient, competent personnel to watch the number of screens it would take to handle the number of cameras. Now factor in human error regarding personnel watching the screens. Now take into account 'professional'/'career'/habitual shoplifters/thieves and their ability to perform their "job" well. A store the size of Wal-Mart can either leave everything up to the eye in the sky and raise their prices as more and more items are stolen or they can be proactive, which is what they think they are being. This isn't difficult to understand. Here's an idea: people who have problems with Wal-Mart just shouldn't shop there. I don't care for Wal-Mart at all so I don't spend money there. It's easy.

This isn't casino-quality security Wal-Mart is incorporating where the security office operating the eye in the sky would make the FBI or NSA jealous. It's just a loss prevention room.

you have no need to go there. But what business is it of yours if people are asked for their receipt? Why do you insist that you can play with the adults?

And:
- How could you shop there if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have a computer if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have an internet connection if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you buy your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you afford to buy a vehicle to cause accidents in if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could afford the high rate of insurance on the vehicle you cause accidents in if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have a credit card if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- When are you finally going to admit the real truth that you are a liar, fraud, and deadbeat as has been proven many times over?
- When are you finally going to apologize to Steve for lying to him as was proven in your fraudulent schneider report?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report? Every second you are still here proves you are a liar.

Why should people show there recipt. Walmart has store cams that watch everything right.


If a custormer was stealing they would be stopped on the scene right away. But If the store cams showed people paying for there stuff they paid for It.


There Is no need for walmart to make people show there recipt. The walmart employees are pure asses on this one.

...between "agreeing with Wal-Mart" and understanding the law. We, as American citizens, are NOT protected under the Constitution of the United States against searches conducted by private organizations or private people. People keep saying that being asked to produce a receipt is unconstitutional. No, it's not. The Fourth Amendment only protects us against the government and those acting on behalf of the government. It does NOT guarantee a right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures conducted by private citizens or organizations (United States v. Jacobsen, 466 U.S. 109 (1984): "This Court has ... consistently construed this protection as proscribing only governmental action; it is wholly inapplicable to a search or seizure, even an unreasonable one, effected by a private individual not acting as an agent of the Government or with the participation or knowledge of any governmental official.").

The OP and the person asking how anyone "can agree with Wal-Mart" reside, according to their posts, in Wisonsin. Well, Wis. Stat. 943.50(3) allows "[a] merchant, a merchant's adult employe or a merchant's security agent who has
reasonable cause for believing that a person has violated this section in his or her presence" to "detain the person in a reasonable manner for a reasonable length of time to deliver the person to a peace officer. . . ." 943.50(3). Furthermore, section 943.50(3) provides immunity from civil or criminal liability to "[a]ny merchant, merchant's adult employe or merchant's security agent who acts in good faith in any act authorized under this section." 943.50(3). Immunity from liability for detaining a person exists only when 3 'reasonableness' requirements are met (see Miller, 219 Wis.2d at 271-73; Hainz v. Shopko Stores, Inc., 121 Wis.2d 168, 173, 359 N.W.2d 397 (Ct. App. 1984). The 3 requirements are: (1) reasonable cause must exist to believe that the person violated 943.50; (2) the manner of the detention and the actions taken in an attempt to detain must be reasonable; and (3) the length of time of the detention and the actions taken in an attempt to detain must be reasonable. See 943.50(3). (see also Miller , 219 Wis.2d at 271-73; Hainz , 121 Wis.2d at 173).

Of course, there are 2 issues: the definitions of "detain" and "reasonable". I've never seen a set, accepted standard definition for reasonable in the legal realm. Also, as it so happens, Wis. Stat.943.50 doesn't define "detain". Those two words are left to interpretation, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you approach the subject. They DO define security officers and provide more specific guidelines for detainment regarding them (i.e. 10-minute detainment times dependent upon whether the security officer witnessed the crime), but I'm not sure if Wal-Mart employs actual security personnel.

Do we honestly live in a time that is so rediculas that we find it acceptable to be openly and publicly called a theif? I too am tired of those d**n things going off everytime I go there as well and I live elsewhere in Wisconsin and even when I vacation in Florida I have had the same issues! I can tell you that WalMart is a horrible company and trust me if I did not have a family to raise I would NEVER step foot in that store, however with the economy the way it is makes it so that we hardly have a choice. Some of us live in small towns like mine where the choice is very limited!

Bottom line GOOD for you for standing your ground, I myself have ignored them and made their security follow me to my car because I was in a hurry trust me it was faster because by the time I had the kids loaded in the car they were there and I was cleared.

HOWEVER, my husband was tackled in the entry way where the carts are kept, and for what? There where four different people going through the doors at the same time and the beeper went off and my husband kept walking assuming since another man had stopped and my husband knew he had paid for his babywipes (yeah that is all he had) that he was fine. So then from nowhere he got tackled by security because they thought he had stolen something. They even searched him and everything and you know what he never even got a sorry from anyone after his name had been cleared. So I understand your feelings believe me being accused of stealing when you never in your life would do something so terrible! UGH I really HATE that place!

The Wal-Mart employee quipped:

'If I were to knock over a bank and the Police said: 'Freeze!', and I were to retort: 'No! I REFUSE, I bank here and I'm a consumer!' and I got shot, then sued the Police Department don't you think that would be a little sh*tty?'

The obvious difference you are missing is this: You and your ilk are NOT law enforcement. You have absolutely NO legal right to attempt to detain ANYONE as law enforcement would - and any attempt to do so can be met with severe physical, legal and/or civil consequences for both you personally and Wal-Mart. The extent of your contribution to a suspected shopper's arrest would be following him/her to the parking lot, writing down a license plate number, then filing a report with true law enforcement.

We have been down this road and back many times. The "private property" argument doesn't pass legal or constitutional guidelines. Again, by your frame of logic, if I were to find one of my yard tools missing and you were to pull into my driveway for the purpose of simply turning around to drive in the other direction, I would have the right to detain you based solely on the "suspicion" that both the missing tool and your attempted "getaway" were contributors to the theft. Your argument is more than a slippery slope. It is a deep-drop ice cliff.

One last suggestion for the Wal-Mart employees who are feeling all tingly as a result of the misguided encouragement they are receiving from a select few on this thread. If you attempt to detain someone (particularly someone with a wife and children with them), you can and will find yourself in a very dangerous physical confrontation at some point. This once happened to me when I bought some merchandise at Wal-Mart, walked through the security system with success, then was followed to the parking lot by a "greeter" who made the mistake of tapping my wife on the shoulder about ten feet from our van at the back of the lot to ask for a receipt.

I immediately advised this dolt that I carried the proof of purchase with me, in my wallet, to be logged in my checkbook register at a time of my choosing - and that he had exactly 10 seconds to turn around and march back into the store lest he be the recipient of a dirt nap for daring to touch my wife. I'm 6'3'' and about 350 pounds, while my wife is 5'11'' and about 120. Why didn't this little puke ask me for the receipt? Is it because he knew he would wet his pants in front of a lady after I ripped his arms off and picked my teeth with them?

Whatever his reason, he immediately apologized and literally sprinted back into the store with speed that would make Usain Bolt proud. The moral of this story is, be VERY careful who you accuse and make sure you're utilizing methods consistent with your ability to stay out of jail, court or the hospital subsequent to their delivery.

And be very, very wary of your employer urging you to act as law enforcement would without something signed and handed to you by the management of the store giving you specific instructions to act in this manner. Without such a document, if you falsely accuse someone of theft and are found to have illegally detained someone, YOU (not Wal-Mart) will face the legal and civil consequences of such a mistake - as Wal-Mart will all of a sudden be outraged at your disobedience of their "store policy". Wal-Mart cares about its employees so much that for the whole of their existence, they have fought against allowing them to negotiate collective bargaining agreements and paid them peanuts. Do you REALLY think Wal-Mart will go to bat for you, a greeter?

Personally I am a Walmart Associate and believe it to be a secure working environment, yet we get Customers like you all the time. You believe that the rules just simply do not apply to you. You believe that you are the consumer and you know what is write, and hey, I'm just the idiot electronics associate right? Wrong... I have over 10 years experience with electronics and have worked for Walmart for less than a year in total. I also run across people like you all the time - people wanting to return items without a recipt! Or people who, like in your case, refuse to show a recipt.

One of the timeless examples of this, is a person trying to return a DVD... Even with a recipt it's against Federal Law for any retail store to accept any returned DVD merchandise - yet it happens countless times because you just sit there and b***h and moan because you believe that you are right, and we are wrong. Yet you're the one's letting Walmart get sued by the Federal Government for taking back your d**n DVD, and then bitching ONCE AGAIN because the prices are just a little bit higher because of it! You f***-over Walmart you f***-over yourself!

And honestly - you're a grown man! What did you expect would happen when you outright REFUSED to show your receipt? It's store policy that when a customer is exiting a store, an associate MUST ask to see a receipt. Obviously he handled it wrong, but you refused to show a receipt; how did you expect him to react? If I were to knock over a bank and the Police said: "Freeze!", and I were to retort: "No! I REFUSE, I bank here and I'm a consumer!" and I got shot, then sued the Police Department don't you think that would be a little shitty?

If you got mauled by customers the VERY FIRST THING you would of done is sued Walmart for your own STUPIDITY! You don't walk out of a building with the big proverbial trench-coat on and expect good things to happen.

I don't remember who said it, but they are totally correct! Walmart is privately owned, and you follow THEIR rules by entering THEIR building! If you don't want to follow the rules, spend 30% more of your money at BestBuy and avoid the obvious hustle that Walmart causes you! I'll simply say to you what I say to every problem customer that voes NEVER to come to Walmart again: "See you tomorrow!"

You said you are recognizable in the community and hold a high profile position. You were embarassed by the scene caused by the employee, however chose to directly make yourself look suspicious by refusing to acknowledge the request. I know you are high and mighty with more dignity than the rest of us, however your intelligence is thin at best. If you are a good community role modle you should have recognized the importance of following rules, and simple curtisies. You would not have put yourself in that position to begin with. I am a supporter of consumer rights, but in this case you sound arrogant in your rants about Wal Marts employees, and how much better you are than them. The only thing they are guilty of is a stupid comment by their greeter. He should not have stooped to your level when he called you a thief, but when someone refuses to show a reciept when asked, the censor sounds off and you continue walking like you have something to hide, that is suspicious.

If your time was so precious you should not have wasted it by arguing over a situation that is your fault. You and I may not be thieves however many people are. Wal Mart would have to raise prices if they allowed shoplifters to go without recourse.

I can profile you simply as the reason prices are high, insurance rates are sky rocketing and the world is twisted.
One last question, if your not busy later maybe we can get together, we can dump hot coffee on each others laps and try to sue McDonalds, are you in?

You said you are recognizable in the community and hold a high profile position. You were embarassed by the scene caused by the employee, however chose to directly make yourself look suspicious by refusing to acknowledge the request. I know you are high and mighty with more dignity than the rest of us, however your intelligence is thin at best. If you are a good community role modle you should have recognized the importance of following rules, and simple curtisies. You would not have put yourself in that position to begin with. I am a supporter of consumer rights, but in this case you sound arrogant in your rants about Wal Marts employees, and how much better you are than them. The only thing they are guilty of is a stupid comment by their greeter. He should not have stooped to your level when he called you a thief, but when someone refuses to show a reciept when asked, the censor sounds off and you continue walking like you have something to hide, that is suspicious.

If your time was so precious you should not have wasted it by arguing over a situation that is your fault. You and I may not be thieves however many people are. Wal Mart would have to raise prices if they allowed shoplifters to go without recourse.

I can profile you simply as the reason prices are high, insurance rates are sky rocketing and the world is twisted.
One last question, if your not busy later maybe we can get together, we can dump hot coffee on each others laps and try to sue McDonalds, are you in?

You said you are recognizable in the community and hold a high profile position. You were embarassed by the scene caused by the employee, however chose to directly make yourself look suspicious by refusing to acknowledge the request. I know you are high and mighty with more dignity than the rest of us, however your intelligence is thin at best. If you are a good community role modle you should have recognized the importance of following rules, and simple curtisies. You would not have put yourself in that position to begin with. I am a supporter of consumer rights, but in this case you sound arrogant in your rants about Wal Marts employees, and how much better you are than them. The only thing they are guilty of is a stupid comment by their greeter. He should not have stooped to your level when he called you a thief, but when someone refuses to show a reciept when asked, the censor sounds off and you continue walking like you have something to hide, that is suspicious.

If your time was so precious you should not have wasted it by arguing over a situation that is your fault. You and I may not be thieves however many people are. Wal Mart would have to raise prices if they allowed shoplifters to go without recourse.

I can profile you simply as the reason prices are high, insurance rates are sky rocketing and the world is twisted.
One last question, if your not busy later maybe we can get together, we can dump hot coffee on each others laps and try to sue McDonalds, are you in?

You said you are recognizable in the community and hold a high profile position. You were embarassed by the scene caused by the employee, however chose to directly make yourself look suspicious by refusing to acknowledge the request. I know you are high and mighty with more dignity than the rest of us, however your intelligence is thin at best. If you are a good community role modle you should have recognized the importance of following rules, and simple curtisies. You would not have put yourself in that position to begin with. I am a supporter of consumer rights, but in this case you sound arrogant in your rants about Wal Marts employees, and how much better you are than them. The only thing they are guilty of is a stupid comment by their greeter. He should not have stooped to your level when he called you a thief, but when someone refuses to show a reciept when asked, the censor sounds off and you continue walking like you have something to hide, that is suspicious.

If your time was so precious you should not have wasted it by arguing over a situation that is your fault. You and I may not be thieves however many people are. Wal Mart would have to raise prices if they allowed shoplifters to go without recourse.

I can profile you simply as the reason prices are high, insurance rates are sky rocketing and the world is twisted.
One last question, if your not busy later maybe we can get together, we can dump hot coffee on each others laps and try to sue McDonalds, are you in?

The 4th Amendment protects consumers against unreasonable search and seizure. Constitutionally and legally, in the absence of tangible evidence I have committed the crime of theft (and NOT your 'hunch' or 'gut feeling', but rather a video proving the alleged theft or the alarm sounding off), I am under NO obligation to show you or anyone else my receipt once I have paid for that item. Being a private company does not allow you or anyone else to circumvent the U.S Constitution.

I'd be VERY careful about handing over that right. Suppose Walmart suddenly asks you for a complete list of all the men you have ever slept with for fear of an STD outbreak among its employees and the cost of absences accompanying the outbreak. As ridiculous and irrational as that sounds, under your logic, you should just 'shut up and take the test'! After all, you have no 'right' to work there and Walmart DOES own the company. If you don't like it, find another place to work.

But wait, Walmart has no reason to suspect you of ANYTHING...so why are they infringing on your rights? Because like theft, employee absence costs a company like Walmart hundreds of millions of dollars each year - and absence for STD treatment contributes to that cost. They have to protect their interests, right?

Believe me, this is not a slippery slope you want to slide down...

The 4th Amendment protects consumers against unreasonable search and seizure. Constitutionally and legally, in the absence of tangible evidence I have committed the crime of theft (and NOT your 'hunch' or 'gut feeling', but rather a video proving the alleged theft or the alarm sounding off), I am under NO obligation to show you or anyone else my receipt once I have paid for that item. Being a private company does not allow you or anyone else to circumvent the U.S Constitution.

I'd be VERY careful about handing over that right. Suppose Walmart suddenly asks you for a complete list of all the men you have ever slept with for fear of an STD outbreak among its employees and the cost of absences accompanying the outbreak. As ridiculous and irrational as that sounds, under your logic, you should just 'shut up and take the test'! After all, you have no 'right' to work there and Walmart DOES own the company. If you don't like it, find another place to work.

But wait, Walmart has no reason to suspect you of ANYTHING...so why are they infringing on your rights? Because like theft, employee absence costs a company like Walmart hundreds of millions of dollars each year - and absence for STD treatment contributes to that cost. They have to protect their interests, right?

Believe me, this is not a slippery slope you want to slide down...

The 4th Amendment protects consumers against unreasonable search and seizure. Constitutionally and legally, in the absence of tangible evidence I have committed the crime of theft (and NOT your 'hunch' or 'gut feeling', but rather a video proving the alleged theft or the alarm sounding off), I am under NO obligation to show you or anyone else my receipt once I have paid for that item. Being a private company does not allow you or anyone else to circumvent the U.S Constitution.

I'd be VERY careful about handing over that right. Suppose Walmart suddenly asks you for a complete list of all the men you have ever slept with for fear of an STD outbreak among its employees and the cost of absences accompanying the outbreak. As ridiculous and irrational as that sounds, under your logic, you should just 'shut up and take the test'! After all, you have no 'right' to work there and Walmart DOES own the company. If you don't like it, find another place to work.

But wait, Walmart has no reason to suspect you of ANYTHING...so why are they infringing on your rights? Because like theft, employee absence costs a company like Walmart hundreds of millions of dollars each year - and absence for STD treatment contributes to that cost. They have to protect their interests, right?

Believe me, this is not a slippery slope you want to slide down...

I just wonder if any of you people who whine about having to show a receipt when leaving walmart have stopped to consider that real thieves will do many things to steal merchandise. I have had experience in another retail store when people would come into the store with bags from said store in their pockets, go to the electronics (or other departments) and get merchandise, put it in the bags and attempt to leave with said merchandise.

Walmart is protecting their rights to cover their investments. The people are not trying to say that you are a theif but if you arent....SHUTUP AND SHOW YOUR RECEIPT!!!

as Joe Chosen so rightfully pointed out, you vowed not to shop there so how can you say anything about them other than presenting yourself as a fraud - which is nothing new.
In fact, this is where YOU posted it:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/240/RipOff0240908.htm

Submitted: 3/26/2007 7:42:33 PM
Modified: 3/26/2007 7:43:00 PM
Reported By
Charles
Anonymous, Alabama

'I am afraid I will not spend any more of my hard earn money @ walmart until their customer service improves but with all hundreds of complaints, against them on this website, it will never happen!.'

And to bring to light yet another flat out lie made by you:

>>Since when do you have 'hard earned money' when you do not even work? Why do you continue to lie on a daily basis?
>>And the above quote FROM YOU was about the meds you lied to Steve about not needing or taking.

And:
- How could you shop there if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have a computer if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have an internet connection if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you buy your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you afford to buy a vehicle to cause accidents in if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could afford the high rate of insurance on the vehicle you cause accidents in if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have a credit card if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- When are you finally going to admit the real truth that you are a liar, fraud, and deadbeat as has been proven many times over?
- When are you finally going to apologize to Steve for lying to him as was proven in your fraudulent schneider report?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report? Every second you are still here proves you are a liar.

Keep telling yourself that you don't care, all the while illustrating that just the opposite is true EVERY time you reply. Those who don't truly don't care ignore those they claim can't bother them.

And keep trying to plead your innocence- it's highly amusing. Nobody believes you because you're a liar and a deadbeat, period. You're absolutely transparent and it's either hilarious or sad that you stick around trying to defend your lies (I'm leaning towards hilarious).

So, I'M the reason the country is the way it is, eh? Not because of deadbeats like you, surely not. It couldn't be people who try to take advantage of corporations, take out credit in bad faith, entering into contracts with willful intent to defraud. No, it couldn't be those people. It can't be the people who created a problem for lenders and corporations and helped build the collections industry. It's people like ME, who work in law firms OPPOSING powerful corporations and defending people who really are having a hard time but who never intended to take from a lender and never give back. Yeah, it must be US, the ones who take on creditors every day are here looking up these same companies for hints into how they do business in order to get a feel for what we're up against.

For the record, I'm not a fan of big business, but I am a fan of the law (at times) and fairness/justice. Really, I'm neutral when it comes to big business and those who take issue with that are free to judge- that's fine. But I can tell you that I'm 100% displeased with collection agencies and the fact that some still flaunt the FDCPA and behave like outlaws. That being said, take credit out without the intention of EVER satisfying the account and you're a deadbeat- you don't get to be indignant when the creditors come after you. Those who truly are on hard times I feel for. Those who enter into contracts in good faith whose hardship letters I read truly make we want to work THAT much harder to help them. But people like Charles, frauds, deadbeats- no pity. YOU make it harder for INNOCENT, FAITHFUL, HARD WORKING Americans to deal with debt. YOU'RE the reason clients have to get privacy blockers, receive aggressive phone calls all day, stay up at night worrying about their finances and who's going to come knocking next, and be treated like every other deadbeat the creditor or collection agency has on file when they're not.

YOU, Charles. YOU'RE the problem. Do us all a favor- stand in front of a mirror and point a finger. There, you've identified the one you need to blame. If you don't have a mirror, extend your arm, pull that finger back in, extend your thumb, and look down. Identified the culprit again. Good job. Now, go one step further and pawn your computer. Pay a creditor. Nobody wants to read your lies anymore.

You people have nothing better to do then to troll around on this site finding people to ruin. Nothing you say bothers me. People like you make It hard for others who try to get justice like me.

This Is why our country Is In the shape It Is today, I can't even make comment without people like you responding to me so hateful & degrading.

Why would people use this site for entertainment purposes It seems like I struck nerve there. People can't stand cause I report the truth. So naturally people call me a liar.

They do not want wrong doings being exposed from companies, so Lvparalegal I don't care If you have a problem with me.

And I will continue to expose bad businesses, so you can call me anything you like.

I will not bother to respond to anymore of this stupid nonsense.

...for the sharp-tongued attacks on both Mike and Striderq. This is a forum designed for civil discourse, and my posts have not kept with that standard. Let's all keep it respectful from now on.

"Let me get this strait. You use this site for entertainment purposes?, just cause you claim your a business owner. You get your pleasure seeing others suffer. How truly sad.


You only add to their problems & cause more trouble, you business people make me sick. Cause you think you have money you can abuse people & laugh @ others who are suffering


People like you make me sick, If you or anyone else as anything nasty to say to me then go ahead. I will not look @ this report anymore.



Believe me you business might be going good know, but sense you are making fun of other people one day everything will crumble down."

After several attempts and the beginning of a wicked migraine, I finally deciphered what it's trying to say...

Along with being a liar, fraud, and an apparently uneducated mess, you're also far too literal-minded, Charles. Entertainment doesn't carry with it the sole connotation of "something pleasurable" or "something fun". Quite simply, something that entertains is something that one finds engaging or diverting.

If I used far too many polysyllabic words, Charles, highlight, copy, and paste into Google.

As far as some of the posters arguing over the term "reasonable", well, that's the big legal debate, isn't it? What's reasonable to one person can be argued to be unreasonable for another. What is reasonable for a large group or even the majority can still be argued as unreasonable if one is motivated, engaging, and articulate enough. Where would the legal profession be without the word "reasonable"??

A lot of people are getting caught up in trying to find a law that states this and a law that states that. Here is the plain and simple truth, and it applies in all 50 States:

Does a retailer or their employee/agent have the right to ask you to produce a receipt upon exiting their establishment? - Yes

Do you have the right to refuse to show said receipt without further inconvenience? - YES!

Does the retailer or their employee/agent have the right to detain you for failure to show a receipt, without any other suspicion of shoplifting? - NO!

A couple of disclaimers. This DOES NOT apply to the anti-theft alarm being sounded. This is a grey area at best, and some states have laws that discuss 'probable cause' and whether or not sounding the alarm is sufficient probable cause (still a grey area in most states though).

This also DOES NOT apply to membership stores such as Sam's Club and Costco. Their membership agreements specifically state that you must surrender your receipt for checking upon exiting the store. You agree to this when you apply for membership.

And please, Striderq and TruthDetector, stop arguing about who posted what. We can all see one is talking about setting off the alarm and one is not. All of this back and forth about not reading each other's posts is childish. It reminds me of the metaphor about wrestling with a pig. Everyone gets dirty, and the pig enjoys it.

And finally to Nancy (and all others who think it's perfectly acceptable to have your receipt checked when there is no suspicion of shoplifting, just because that's the store's policy). How would you feel if you needed to start carrying a receipt to prove that the purse you're carrying belongs to you, and not Wal-Mart? What about your shoes? The make-up in your purse? The blouse you're wearing? Your son's jacket? What about your MP3? Does Best Buy need to see your receipt to prove it's yours, even though you bought it last week?

Allowing Wal-Mart (or any other merchant for that matter) to continually check receipts for 'no good reason' could soon lead to you having to prove that everything in your possession belongs to you. How many have already been accused of theft simply because an item in their possession was legally purchased prior to that day? I'm sure it's happened before, and it will get worse if we continue to roll over and let merchants have their way with us.

The simple truth is that once you pay for an item, that item then becomes your personal property and is yours to do with as you please. It doesn't matter if you're still on the merchant's property or not, that item belongs to you and not the merchant. It's not the consumers fault that the merchant chooses to place retail merchandise beyond the point of sale. That's why they hire LP. Don't ask me for a receipt for things that belong to me.

If you are going to acuse me of theft (which is the ONLY way the request to see a receipt can be taken, the BS about checking to make sure you were wrung up properly is just that, BS), you better d**n well have proof that I shoplifted something, and it better d**n well be LP that's asking to see my receipt. So far no DG has been bold enough to try to restrain me after refusing to show a receipt. And in fact, it's actually been quite a while since I've been asked to show one (even when exiting with unbagged merchandise), so they must have stopped the practice in this area.

...coming from a resident of a state that is about to send AL FRANKEN to the Senate shortly after it sent Jesse "The Body" Ventura to the governor's mansion. Please, spare us all lectures on public policy debate until you demonstrate to the rest of the country that you have fully-functioning brain matter.

Next on the agenda: Lessons in anger management from Mike Tyson. Stay away from the big-boy table next time, Mikey...

Striderq actually missed the fact that Nancy's entry was totally facetious and that she was agreeing with him to a certain extent. What's even more comical is that this TruthDetector, with his blatant need to blanket an inferiority complex, actually missed Nancy's point too. In her sarcastic "rant", she made a fool of TruthDetector by yanking his strings like he was a puppet, as he bought the whole thing. Talk about hilarity!

TruthDetector pulls trivial 'politics' to portray antagonism even for the most petty of issues. He also confuses law with simple policy. Funny how he describes policy as antaginistic to his 'rights', yet he does not extend the same respect of 'rights' to other persons or businesses. Along with TruthDetectors double standards, this hypocrisy clearly depicts TruthDetector suffering from a weak self esteem while in dire need of attention. TruthDetectors shyness makes him uncomfortable with showing his purchase receipt, then states that that sort of scenario is a prelude to his loss of all civil rights? TruthDetector's mindset, or personality, finds it necessary (as his/her next entry will again prove) to lash out with negativity, while showing a complete lack of a constructive alternative. TruthDetector clearly undermines the point of a discussion by relishing a destructive attack on others. For every person TruthDetector retaliates against by painstakingly tapping away on the keyboard, there are a thousand more persons that wonder if TruthDetector was emotionally abused as a child.

Because TruthDetector does not have the capacity to understand the rights and privileges of other people's personal property or businesses, he may not understand that he must forfeit, by his own words, all rights and privileges regarding his personal property for which there are no restrictive laws. It would also be interesting to monitor TruthDetector's daily activities to verify precisely how he follows every conceivable law, written or otherwise, and how he deviates from them to suit his personal truths. While expending such time and energy with such a simple thing as showing the receipt required by many retailers, how does TruthDetector function at all in society with important and elaborate aspects of his daily life in society. Considering his last entry, general opinion would be not very well.

TruthDector also, obviously, is not a business owner, if he is employeed at all. He could not own a business as his customers would have a free for all, that he could neither tolerate nor operate a profitable business with, while telling him to show the law that prevents them from doing what is ruining his bottom line.

Perhaps TruthDetector is living in a rural area and has made himself totally self sufficient with all his wants and necessities in life. If not, he would find more peace in shutting up and being more productive in society. Unfortunately for him, he is only capable of dumping his woes in the privacy of his persoanl living quarters.

The previous entry decribes TruthDetector well. He is the epitome of the average hide-behind-the-monitor monkey. He states the point is whether or not to show a silly receipt, yet makes it clear his true point has a much different agenda. Truth has a dire need to feel superior even over the most trivial of issues. Readers here find that both pointless and pathetic. Further proof of his hypocrital accusations of "rant" by the pointless rantings of his response to this entry.

I'm off to dinner now. Perhaps I'll pull a TruthDetector and exercise one of countless means to spoil the night. Maybe I'll tell the waiter to show me the law they can take my debit card out of my sight to ring up the tab. No tip for her! TruthDetector still is pissed he can't smoke in certain public areas. Poor guy.

His response 'point' will prove mine. Nice job Nancy!

We're talking about laws protecting consumers - as well as laws regarding unreasonable search and seizure. Of course, I'd never expect those siding with the likes of Coulter and Limbaugh to comprehend the constitutionality of privacy. You are the same morons that bleated like whipped sheep when Bush trampled all over your rights in the name of 'fighting terrorism'. You're OK with some moron demanding to see a receipt for something you own. You were OK with Bush wiretapping your phone calls in the name of 'national security'. Exactly how many of your rights will you surrender before you comprehend the error of your logic?

Because you missed (and continue to miss) the point here, I'll say it v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y:

I am under no legal obligation to show you my receipt for goods that have already been paid for. I challenged you to produce a law stating that your buddies at Walmart have the right to demand to see a receipt as I'm leaving the store. You have failed to do so. Ergo, the constitutionality of your so-called 'argument' falls flat.

Easy to answer most of your questions. It's called Walmart is private property. For you to be there you must go by their rules, such as leaving before closing time. Why do you feel there must be a law to make things as you want them. Your rights stop where someone elses begin. Such as the property line at Walmart. If you don't like their policies, shop somewhere else.
As far as Truth Detector goes, when I first started reading ROR, I enjoyed his comments because he always shot from the hip and always shot fairly. Now he has become a ROR troll and I have no further use for him. So I hope you and your friend have a great life together.

Why doesn't anyone buy Truth Detector's explanation. Ergo, if he wasn't right, he wouldn't have that name! I mean, how many times does he have to repeat himself for him to make sense? Ergo, if everyone else had half a brain, he wouldn't have to repeat himself over and over like a parrot.

Just because there are those people that stash the goods in an old WallyWorld bag and walk through an unmanned cashier aisle and head for the door doesn't give the retail business the right to ask anyone for the receipt. It's easy to ripoff retailers like that. That's Wallyworlds problem. If those employees had an IQ over 30, they would be able to tell who's a crook and who's a God fearing honest citizen!

Me and Truthy demand a link to the law that says merchants have a right to demand receipts subsequent to legal payment for goods. Show us dammit!! And me and Truthy here think there should be other laws that protect our rights too. Like even though big old Wallyworld is a private business, we have a right to do anything we want there because the customer is always right. Ain't you never heard that before?! Just like there should be a law to protect us from wasting 4 1/2 seconds of our life, and that's OUR LIFE, there should be a law that says illegal aliens should park in Wallyworlds back forty. And show me the law that says if I ain't done shopping at closing time that some underpaid stupid clerk can tell me to leave. And you better well show me and Truthy the law that says we hafta flush the toilet at Wallyworld after we use it. Who says we have to touch the same handle that dumb people that DO show receipts have touched. I mean it's bad enough we get our rears wet taking a dump because they didn't put up the toilet seat. Hey there...SEE?! Show me the law the seat can be left down.

I think me and Truthy are going to start up our own electronics retail biz. We could do it way better than Best Buy or any of those mental receipt checking retailers. People from all over would patronize us because we know everyone that went through the cashier line is an honest joe and we should kiss THEIR behind. The only reason Wallyworld stays in business is because the people that shop there are even more stupid than the people that run the place. That's except for me and Truth Detector of course. We got it figured our because we're better that you. If you don't believe that it's because you're not focused and you should read our posts over and over til you get a clue. I mean cripes isn't it obvious that we're more educated than the average hide-behind-the-monitor monkey??

Ergo, you better leave Truth Detector alone. He's my friend.

how does it feel to shoot yourself in both feet.
Yes, I did indeed read. The original post was about the alarm going off; that is why I mentioned it in my post. I did post the specific state law that allows the store to stop someone when the alarm goes off. Just because other people have become sidetracked with the 'show the receipt' issue does not change the FACT that this report is about the alarm going off and the store employee legally asking for proof of purchase.
It's really kind of sad that you have become a troll to try to fins somewhere I've posted and then try to accuse me of something such as not reading when it turns out that you are the one not reading and focussing. So, have a good day but until you can come back to reality and become relevent again, do not expect me to respond to your trolling.

Read my previous post CAREFULLY:

'No one is disputing that the triggering of an alarm is cause for suspicion. The matter at hand here is not the alarm, but rather the demand to see a receipt for merchandise that has been paid for and checked out at the register. At Walmart, receipt-checkers set up shop before you pass the gates. Ergo, they have NO reasonable suspicion short of their own judgment. Got a law for us allowing merchants to demand receipts subsequent to legal payment for goods? Show us...'

Notice the part where I say 'No one is disputing that the triggering of an alarm is cause for suspicion. The matter at hand here is not the alarm, but rather the demand to see a receipt for merchandise that has been paid for and checked out at the register'.

Try to FOCUS, and THEN address MY post instead of narrow-mindedly continuing your rant as though you were still on a Wachovia thread. And FYI, you never did produce a specific law addressing my request. You're still hung up on the alarm going off - which was not the subject for discussion throughout most of the thread. The topic discussed involved a greeter's ability to DEMAND to see your receipt PRIOR TO ENTERING THE ALARM SYSTEM.

People here are still stuck on this issue as though Walmart is the one to focus on. Walmart is only one of many, many major retailers that check receipts at the exit. Many retailers, especially those retailing high buck electronics, have booths right by the exit with two or more personnel checking receipts.

It's a little daft for a person to state that merchandise being paid for and checked out at the register is proof of all peoples that exit a retailer. How is it proof that every person walking out the door with a bag in their hand has paid for it? Hundreds of customers, if not thousands, walk straight out the foyer entry or right through checkout isles without paying for anything. It would be simple for anyone to walk right out the door with an item or a bag in one hand and a receipt from McDonalds in the other, if a business showed no signs of security.

Not one person that has placed an opinion here against checking receipts owns a retail business open to the public. Gee...any ideas why that is? Why doesn't one anti-receipt whiner, for one minute, imagine owning a business where theft would be so easy? These anti-receipt tantrum personalities blend perfectly with those that continue to shop at Walmart, and actually continue to complain, all while really never accomplishing anything as credible for themselves. People that need to focus so intently on reasons to avoid assisting businesses with minimizing theft are only displaying an inferiority complex, which distracts them from anything relevant or more productive in their personal life. But, you know, to each their own. That's their prerogative.

People here are still stuck on this issue as though Walmart is the one to focus on. Walmart is only one of many, many major retailers that check receipts at the exit. Many retailers, especially those retailing high buck electronics, have booths right by the exit with two or more personnel checking receipts.

It's a little daft for a person to state that merchandise being paid for and checked out at the register is proof of all peoples that exit a retailer. How is it proof that every person walking out the door with a bag in their hand has paid for it? Hundreds of customers, if not thousands, walk straight out the foyer entry or right through checkout isles without paying for anything. It would be simple for anyone to walk right out the door with an item or a bag in one hand and a receipt from McDonalds in the other, if a business showed no signs of security.

Not one person that has placed an opinion here against checking receipts owns a retail business open to the public. Gee...any ideas why that is? Why doesn't one anti-receipt whiner, for one minute, imagine owning a business where theft would be so easy? These anti-receipt tantrum personalities blend perfectly with those that continue to shop at Walmart, and actually continue to complain, all while really never accomplishing anything as credible for themselves. People that need to focus so intently on reasons to avoid assisting businesses with minimizing theft are only displaying an inferiority complex, which distracts them from anything relevant or more productive in their personal life. But, you know, to each their own. That's their prerogative.

People here are still stuck on this issue as though Walmart is the one to focus on. Walmart is only one of many, many major retailers that check receipts at the exit. Many retailers, especially those retailing high buck electronics, have booths right by the exit with two or more personnel checking receipts.

It's a little daft for a person to state that merchandise being paid for and checked out at the register is proof of all peoples that exit a retailer. How is it proof that every person walking out the door with a bag in their hand has paid for it? Hundreds of customers, if not thousands, walk straight out the foyer entry or right through checkout isles without paying for anything. It would be simple for anyone to walk right out the door with an item or a bag in one hand and a receipt from McDonalds in the other, if a business showed no signs of security.

Not one person that has placed an opinion here against checking receipts owns a retail business open to the public. Gee...any ideas why that is? Why doesn't one anti-receipt whiner, for one minute, imagine owning a business where theft would be so easy? These anti-receipt tantrum personalities blend perfectly with those that continue to shop at Walmart, and actually continue to complain, all while really never accomplishing anything as credible for themselves. People that need to focus so intently on reasons to avoid assisting businesses with minimizing theft are only displaying an inferiority complex, which distracts them from anything relevant or more productive in their personal life. But, you know, to each their own. That's their prerogative.

People here are still stuck on this issue as though Walmart is the one to focus on. Walmart is only one of many, many major retailers that check receipts at the exit. Many retailers, especially those retailing high buck electronics, have booths right by the exit with two or more personnel checking receipts.

It's a little daft for a person to state that merchandise being paid for and checked out at the register is proof of all peoples that exit a retailer. How is it proof that every person walking out the door with a bag in their hand has paid for it? Hundreds of customers, if not thousands, walk straight out the foyer entry or right through checkout isles without paying for anything. It would be simple for anyone to walk right out the door with an item or a bag in one hand and a receipt from McDonalds in the other, if a business showed no signs of security.

Not one person that has placed an opinion here against checking receipts owns a retail business open to the public. Gee...any ideas why that is? Why doesn't one anti-receipt whiner, for one minute, imagine owning a business where theft would be so easy? These anti-receipt tantrum personalities blend perfectly with those that continue to shop at Walmart, and actually continue to complain, all while really never accomplishing anything as credible for themselves. People that need to focus so intently on reasons to avoid assisting businesses with minimizing theft are only displaying an inferiority complex, which distracts them from anything relevant or more productive in their personal life. But, you know, to each their own. That's their prerogative.

I think you need to reread the OP. RJ states that when he exited the door the alarm sounded. That is what gave Walmart a right to ask him for his receipt. And that is what this report is based on. Maybe you need to review the OP before you decide to jump in with an unsubstatiated opinion.

I challenged you to produce a law that allows detaining customers for FAILING TO PRODUCE A RECEIPT. You wrote:

'So, Yes TD there is a law in Wisconsin and I would say probably in every other state that if the anti-theft alarm goes off the store employees have the right to detain you until the police get there.'

Who said anything about triggering an anti-theft alarm? No one is disputing that the triggering of an alarm is cause for suspicion. The matter at hand here is not the alarm, but rather the demand to see a receipt for merchandise that has been paid for and checked out at the register. At Walmart, receipt-checkers set up shop before you pass the gates. Ergo, they have NO reasonable suspicion short of their own judgment. Got a law for us allowing merchants to demand receipts subsequent to legal payment for goods? Show us...

Before you chime in, learn to read more carefully...

Quite the claim from Heatherw, stating that it is illegal to ask for receipts in all fifty states. That would make it a federal crime which, of course, it is not. This Heatherw also gives absolutely no reference to any Federal law or sites that validates this information. Heatherw also has a definite twang of irrationality also manifesting in her animosity towards all businesses. Heatherw clearly is missing the point of requesting receipts, done by thousands of major retailers and small businesses alike, to ensure that customers do not have a free-for-all with five-finger discounts.

The absurdity in Heatherw's claims is also obvious in how easy she feels it would be easy to put Walmart, or any other major retailer, out of business for exercising standard business practice of validating purchases at exit counters. Regardless of what this crackpot Heatherw says, all she is capable of is having a temper tantrum just like the original author of this ridiculous complaint.

Just for kicks, let's assume Heatherw refuses to show her receipt at the checkout counter near the exit at Best Buy. She has her fit and wants to file a lawsuit to shut down Best Buy (or Walmart, or any other retailer for that matter.) First she needs the funds to hire an attorney, then she'll need to pay legal fees which would stem through years of court time and appeals that far exceed her annual take home pay at her current job. OK, Heatherw, go for it.

All so someone like Heatherw, with what appears to be a nasty irrational inferiority complex, can make a fuss just to waste time learning a simple lesson.

You know, Heatherw, people who are seen speaking, just like you have here, are often simply written off as a not too bright and distasteful *itch. And that's with a capital B.

Just an FYI for those who continue to say: Just show the receipt. Wow.

You should know and understand that any merchant, employee of said merchant or authorized person on merchant's property who asks a patron to produce a receipt is, at that point in time, making an accusation of shoplifting.

With four years experience in loss prevention management for a major supermarket chain, this was the one point I stressed to ALL my LPO's - you ask for a receipt, you better be darn sure they are shoplifting, because when you ask for that receipt, you have made the accusation.

Therefore, Steve was falsely accused of shoplifting. To add insult, he was openly called a thief! This is GOLD for an attorney. And I can't imagine no one is taking the case.

I myself refuse to produce receipts when I am unfortunate enough to end up shopping at Walmart (until recently, it was the only game in town where I live). I say "Are you accusing me of shoplifting?" They either stutter, turn away or say "Well, no..... I just need to see your receipt." To which I reply "By asking for my receipt, you are implying that you suspect me of shoplifting. Want to open that can of worms?".

They leave me alone.

I'm waiting. I want just one - just ONE to push the envelope with me so I can sue the pants off of Walmart. This illegal practice has GOT to stop. It is against the law. You are making an open accusation without any legal basis.

In MOST states, in order to apprehend someone for shoplifting, the employee witnessing the theft must keep their eyes on the shoplifter from the moment of the concealment of the merchandise until they leave the store. Upon stopping the suspected shoplifter, they better know the following:

1)What the item is
2)Where it was concealed
3)That that shopper bypassed all registers without removing the item in question.


I was very careful and myself, I never made a bad stop. Can't say that for my employees. Here's a shocker though. Most thieves are in fact elderly, living on a fixed income. I've watched these greeters at Walmart. They rarely, if ever, ask Grandma for her receipt. Are you kidding me? I once stopped an 80 year old lady who had crammed more than $80 bucks in merchandise into her handbag! NONE of which was necessary for life, or I would never have stopped her and would have felt bad for her. The contents of her purse when stopped: Two packs of assorted greeting cards. One jar of caviar. One jar of top end preserves. Two lipsticks. A pack of Crest Whitestrips. Two disposable cameras.

Now, if it had been toothpaste and toilet paper, I would have let her go and paid for it myself. I've tackled guys running out the door with six pounds of ribeye steaks.

But one thing remained constant - I never "asked for the receipt" unless I was 100% sure.

Walmart does this for the money. Believe me, it is worth it. Because for every theft they do catch (and the theft ratio is more 3 out of ten, not four or more), not only do they get the merchandise back, but the shoplifter, in order to be released without a trip to jail, must sign a civil demand acknowledgement. What this is is a piece of paper stating you understand that you owe them 1)The dollar amount of the attempted theft and 2) a set sum for civil demand - usually $250.00 on the average. They make bank on this and it's why they risk the lawsuits.

Hope they make plenty because if they ever mess with me the way they did Steve, I'll be shutting Walmarts doors with the award I will get in court.

I don't know, maybe i'm WAY off base here, but why not just not shop there? Nahhh, that's too simple of a suggestion.

Entertainment includes other aspects besides actually taking pleasure at someone elses misfortune. I'm sorry, in your mindset, your personality can only interpret it that way. Does watching a Rambo movie mean that you fantasize about slaughtering people with a machine gun? Does celebrating the victory of your football team give you a sensation superiority? Do you watch catastrophe movies only because you are an anarchist?

For your sake, I certainly hope not.

Ever watch 'Cops'? The ratings show that viewers find the show entertaining. I don't get a kick when I see a drunk weave all over the road. Nor do I get a thrill when I see that poor lady that was beaten by her husband. I find the show entertaining in how it shows the incident was handled by the police officers. I also find it entertaining in that I can see possible events that my son, whom will graduate with his law enforcement degree this fall, may be exposed to. The entertainment is in how I can become more competent in handling persons of different personalities in my business or anywhere else for that matter.

And I suppose the legal system also makes you sick. If so, that is your prerogative.
Specifically regarding this 'beep' incident... I've been stopped before either by the alarm or simply at a booth that checks receipts for ALL customers before leaving, such as at Best Buy or Circuit City. It is done so for an obviously valid reason. I hand them the receipt; they hand it back; I'm on my way. And, yes, if RJ was exiting behind me and disregarded the 'beep' or the receipt monitor in the manner that he chooses to 'entertain' himself with, I would smile and shake my head with disgust. There have been others that laugh or make smirking comments at people that don't abide by very simple regulations that are there for the good of everyone, including yourself. If there were no rules of this simple nature, you and RJ would have no jobs or anywhere to spend the money you do not have. I'd be happy to discuss the economy and its' influence by the lack of rules or guidelines with you anytime.

As a piece of advice of which I take no entertainment value with (English 101 validates such) or a typical college debate class (which most participants find entertaining): If someone wants to gain credibility with their view, whether spoken or in written text, it would be in their best interest to use decent grammar and spelling. If a person appears to be a junior high dropout in that department, he can't exactly expect the maximum respect while appearing semi illiterate.

Most reasonably educated persons show receipts - because they are learned enough to understand why. Most 'beep blowers' are under educated individuals that haven't acquired enough marbles to quite get it. RJ and yourself, of course, are exceptions to that stereotype for reasons you have clearly shown here. Right?

And if you get sick so easily with such simple actions as an anonymous person expressing the same opinion that millions of others' share, how do you cope in society with everyone that crosses your path in daily life? A little education likely would help that. Some persons, as you may or may not relate to, prefer drugs or alcohol. You, however, find more entertainment in mocking that obvious fact.

If you want to be sick by choice, have at it!

Entertainment includes other aspects besides actually taking pleasure at someone elses misfortune. I'm sorry, in your mindset, your personality can only interpret it that way. Does watching a Rambo movie mean that you fantasize about slaughtering people with a machine gun? Does celebrating the victory of your football team give you a sensation superiority? Do you watch catastrophe movies only because you are an anarchist?

For your sake, I certainly hope not.

Ever watch 'Cops'? The ratings show that viewers find the show entertaining. I don't get a kick when I see a drunk weave all over the road. Nor do I get a thrill when I see that poor lady that was beaten by her husband. I find the show entertaining in how it shows the incident was handled by the police officers. I also find it entertaining in that I can see possible events that my son, whom will graduate with his law enforcement degree this fall, may be exposed to. The entertainment is in how I can become more competent in handling persons of different personalities in my business or anywhere else for that matter.

And I suppose the legal system also makes you sick. If so, that is your prerogative.
Specifically regarding this 'beep' incident... I've been stopped before either by the alarm or simply at a booth that checks receipts for ALL customers before leaving, such as at Best Buy or Circuit City. It is done so for an obviously valid reason. I hand them the receipt; they hand it back; I'm on my way. And, yes, if RJ was exiting behind me and disregarded the 'beep' or the receipt monitor in the manner that he chooses to 'entertain' himself with, I would smile and shake my head with disgust. There have been others that laugh or make smirking comments at people that don't abide by very simple regulations that are there for the good of everyone, including yourself. If there were no rules of this simple nature, you and RJ would have no jobs or anywhere to spend the money you do not have. I'd be happy to discuss the economy and its' influence by the lack of rules or guidelines with you anytime.

As a piece of advice of which I take no entertainment value with (English 101 validates such) or a typical college debate class (which most participants find entertaining): If someone wants to gain credibility with their view, whether spoken or in written text, it would be in their best interest to use decent grammar and spelling. If a person appears to be a junior high dropout in that department, he can't exactly expect the maximum respect while appearing semi illiterate.

Most reasonably educated persons show receipts - because they are learned enough to understand why. Most 'beep blowers' are under educated individuals that haven't acquired enough marbles to quite get it. RJ and yourself, of course, are exceptions to that stereotype for reasons you have clearly shown here. Right?

And if you get sick so easily with such simple actions as an anonymous person expressing the same opinion that millions of others' share, how do you cope in society with everyone that crosses your path in daily life? A little education likely would help that. Some persons, as you may or may not relate to, prefer drugs or alcohol. You, however, find more entertainment in mocking that obvious fact.

If you want to be sick by choice, have at it!

Entertainment includes other aspects besides actually taking pleasure at someone elses misfortune. I'm sorry, in your mindset, your personality can only interpret it that way. Does watching a Rambo movie mean that you fantasize about slaughtering people with a machine gun? Does celebrating the victory of your football team give you a sensation superiority? Do you watch catastrophe movies only because you are an anarchist?

For your sake, I certainly hope not.

Ever watch 'Cops'? The ratings show that viewers find the show entertaining. I don't get a kick when I see a drunk weave all over the road. Nor do I get a thrill when I see that poor lady that was beaten by her husband. I find the show entertaining in how it shows the incident was handled by the police officers. I also find it entertaining in that I can see possible events that my son, whom will graduate with his law enforcement degree this fall, may be exposed to. The entertainment is in how I can become more competent in handling persons of different personalities in my business or anywhere else for that matter.

And I suppose the legal system also makes you sick. If so, that is your prerogative.
Specifically regarding this 'beep' incident... I've been stopped before either by the alarm or simply at a booth that checks receipts for ALL customers before leaving, such as at Best Buy or Circuit City. It is done so for an obviously valid reason. I hand them the receipt; they hand it back; I'm on my way. And, yes, if RJ was exiting behind me and disregarded the 'beep' or the receipt monitor in the manner that he chooses to 'entertain' himself with, I would smile and shake my head with disgust. There have been others that laugh or make smirking comments at people that don't abide by very simple regulations that are there for the good of everyone, including yourself. If there were no rules of this simple nature, you and RJ would have no jobs or anywhere to spend the money you do not have. I'd be happy to discuss the economy and its' influence by the lack of rules or guidelines with you anytime.

As a piece of advice of which I take no entertainment value with (English 101 validates such) or a typical college debate class (which most participants find entertaining): If someone wants to gain credibility with their view, whether spoken or in written text, it would be in their best interest to use decent grammar and spelling. If a person appears to be a junior high dropout in that department, he can't exactly expect the maximum respect while appearing semi illiterate.

Most reasonably educated persons show receipts - because they are learned enough to understand why. Most 'beep blowers' are under educated individuals that haven't acquired enough marbles to quite get it. RJ and yourself, of course, are exceptions to that stereotype for reasons you have clearly shown here. Right?

And if you get sick so easily with such simple actions as an anonymous person expressing the same opinion that millions of others' share, how do you cope in society with everyone that crosses your path in daily life? A little education likely would help that. Some persons, as you may or may not relate to, prefer drugs or alcohol. You, however, find more entertainment in mocking that obvious fact.

If you want to be sick by choice, have at it!

Entertainment includes other aspects besides actually taking pleasure at someone elses misfortune. I'm sorry, in your mindset, your personality can only interpret it that way. Does watching a Rambo movie mean that you fantasize about slaughtering people with a machine gun? Does celebrating the victory of your football team give you a sensation superiority? Do you watch catastrophe movies only because you are an anarchist?

For your sake, I certainly hope not.

Ever watch 'Cops'? The ratings show that viewers find the show entertaining. I don't get a kick when I see a drunk weave all over the road. Nor do I get a thrill when I see that poor lady that was beaten by her husband. I find the show entertaining in how it shows the incident was handled by the police officers. I also find it entertaining in that I can see possible events that my son, whom will graduate with his law enforcement degree this fall, may be exposed to. The entertainment is in how I can become more competent in handling persons of different personalities in my business or anywhere else for that matter.

And I suppose the legal system also makes you sick. If so, that is your prerogative.
Specifically regarding this 'beep' incident... I've been stopped before either by the alarm or simply at a booth that checks receipts for ALL customers before leaving, such as at Best Buy or Circuit City. It is done so for an obviously valid reason. I hand them the receipt; they hand it back; I'm on my way. And, yes, if RJ was exiting behind me and disregarded the 'beep' or the receipt monitor in the manner that he chooses to 'entertain' himself with, I would smile and shake my head with disgust. There have been others that laugh or make smirking comments at people that don't abide by very simple regulations that are there for the good of everyone, including yourself. If there were no rules of this simple nature, you and RJ would have no jobs or anywhere to spend the money you do not have. I'd be happy to discuss the economy and its' influence by the lack of rules or guidelines with you anytime.

As a piece of advice of which I take no entertainment value with (English 101 validates such) or a typical college debate class (which most participants find entertaining): If someone wants to gain credibility with their view, whether spoken or in written text, it would be in their best interest to use decent grammar and spelling. If a person appears to be a junior high dropout in that department, he can't exactly expect the maximum respect while appearing semi illiterate.

Most reasonably educated persons show receipts - because they are learned enough to understand why. Most 'beep blowers' are under educated individuals that haven't acquired enough marbles to quite get it. RJ and yourself, of course, are exceptions to that stereotype for reasons you have clearly shown here. Right?

And if you get sick so easily with such simple actions as an anonymous person expressing the same opinion that millions of others' share, how do you cope in society with everyone that crosses your path in daily life? A little education likely would help that. Some persons, as you may or may not relate to, prefer drugs or alcohol. You, however, find more entertainment in mocking that obvious fact.

If you want to be sick by choice, have at it!

Let me get this strait. You use this site for entertainment purposes?, just cause you claim your a business owner. You get your pleasure seeing others suffer. How truly sad.


You only add to their problems & cause more trouble, you business people make me sick. Cause you think you have money you can abuse people & laugh @ others who are suffering


People like you make me sick, If you or anyone else as anything nasty to say to me then go ahead. I will not look @ this report anymore.



Believe me you business might be going good know, but sense you are making fun of other people one day everything will crumble down.

I use this report as a reference to customer complaints directed at my business which is franchised across the nation. This offers me a customer's perception of my business to help accommodate future customers. The complaints range from legitimate to blatant ignorance. On this same token, I also read this Ripoff Report site for entertainment purposes.

This particular complaint is incredibly absurd. It was initiated on 2/25/2008 and has been belabored over a year. How RJ can spend so much energy on such a petty issue is pathetic. How does RJ function in daily life if something as trivial as this is perceived as tantamount in his life? There are college courses which involve less writing and less effort than RJ has vainly spent with this trivial issue yet, considering his entire composure here, he has shown no sign of definite post high school education.

And why the necessity of pointing RJ's opinion specifically at only Walmart? Just as RJ's animosity stems far, far deeper than a Wally World incident, this scenario happens many times daily at thousands of businesses across the nation. If this security beep has happened that much for RJ at Walmart, how could it not have happened at, Best Buy, Circuit City, Sears, Kohls, etc, etc, or any other business that you can imagine?? What, does RJ not shop anywhere else? It is difficult to imagine, in the year since he posted this trivia, that it has not happened to himself anywhere else. It would be entertaining to see RJ exercise what may be his feeble self esteem at certain other retailers. The final result would not be some lower paid, not overly educated employee panicking while some anarchist wants to prove a point by acting in the same manner as a thief may.

In all RJ's ramblings, he has never offered a viable solution. Rather, he has made it apparent that this petty incident (as well as all his other commonly occurring petty personal incidents in the past year) that he takes joy in the hours and hours of time spent on this one simple thing. He wants attention, yet wants to be left alone. Gee...wonder what his childhood was like.

It is interesting to speculate what sort of business RJ owns or is employed at. Can you imagine RJ owning and managing, say, a DVD rental store or larger chain of electronics outlets. Just how would RJ, with his narrow minded perceptions and antagonistic attitude towards society, manage any business? Even more intriguing is to imagine is how RJ, as an employee, would be handled by his boss or business owner. Whether or not RJ wants to admit it, his demands and excuses are the same as heard from employees that are willing to steal from or damage the integrity of their employers. If RJ has a tantrum with Walmart while actually in their commercial property, irrational or otherwise, how can another business be comfortable with RJ as an employee in their property?

No one can dispute the energy that RJ has spewed over the months since this one silly incident. It is difficult to imagine anyone, while managing all the important issues of life, considering perhaps RJ has spent time and energy on this incident that could not have been better spent on positive aspects of his life, i.e.: family, financial income, religious faith (or lack of it), and respect for others while considering that we all, good and bad, inevitably have to interact together in society preferably in some productive manner.

Unfortunately, RJ, is not concerned about certain other things, and prefers to go on a mission of the trivial rather than something of significant importance. The proof is readily made obvious when RJ attacks anyone with a differing opinion, such as myself, that varies from his. RJ should put himself in others shoes - the Walmart employee, manager, owner of a retail company, his daughter watching him conduct himself this way, etc....then imagine what those persons, as well as the anonymous bystanders looking at his character, think of him as an individual.

RJ will certainly be antagonistic against this opinion: You need help, RJ. Something within the realm of anger management or, preferable, therapy to reveal the history of which generated your pent up anger. OK RJ. Go ahead and fire off your retaliation. Unfortunately, it will only be a reiteration of what you have already beaten to death, validating the points that I have made. And then we will all know that you will continue your life stomping around others productivity, demanding things your way while not in your own premises, and otherwise holding a chip on your shoulder stemming back to who knows when.

As a side note: RJ made a facitious comment about Walmart policy being made in China. Too bad RJ does not have the aptitude to realize where his prudent dollars are going when he shops at Walmart. It's not exactly back to anything that would give RJ warm fuzzies in his neighborhood.

Per the employee's admission, Walmart is asking 60% of its customers to comply with requests which they know are being made unnecessarily.

You did the right thing. The property was yours, and you had no need to acquiesce to their request.

That said, you're not going to convince the idiots who live their lives as subservient lemmings. They are what they are, and cannot fathom the concept of being in charge of their own lives.

Find a lawyer who thinks that this practice is as insidious as you and I do, sue them, and if/when you get a judge or jury who is sane enough to find for your side, post the outcome everywhere you can, complete with court papers and commentary.

As for me, I don't give an inch unless I choose to.

Why?

It's my inch.

This is the main reason I refuse to patronize Wal-mart stores. I am the type of person with 30 receipts in my wallet. When the cashier hands me some change and a receipt, I cram it all in the wallet and think that the transaction is complete.

I don't like Wal-marts 'pre-emptive strike' policy and take my business elsewhere, however I have noticed that 'Best Buy' has the same policy and I'm sure many other large companies.

If someone verbally abused me and called me a 'thief' while I was giving them money, I would find out who they were, where they live, obtain a wealth of information about them and make their life a living hell.

as Joe Chosen so rightfully pointed out, you vowed not to shop there so how can you say anything about them other than presenting yourself as a fraud - which is nothing new.
In fact, this is where YOU posted it:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/240/RipOff0240908.htm

Submitted: 3/26/2007 7:42:33 PM
Modified: 3/26/2007 7:43:00 PM
Reported By
Charles
Anonymous, Alabama

'I am afraid I will not spend any more of my hard earn money @ walmart until their customer service improves but with all hundreds of complaints, against them on this website, it will never happen!.'

And to bring to light yet another flat out lie made by you:

>>Since when do you have 'hard earned money' when you do not even work? Why do you continue to lie on a daily basis?
>>And the above quote FROM YOU was about the meds you lied to Steve about not needing or taking.

And:
- How could you shop there if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have a computer if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have an internet connection if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you buy your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you afford to buy a vehicle to cause accidents in if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could afford the high rate of insurance on the vehicle you cause accidents in if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- How could you have a credit card if you have no money like you allege in the collection reports?
- When are you finally going to admit the real truth that you are a liar, fraud, and deadbeat as has been proven many times over?
- When are you finally going to apologize to Steve for lying to him as was proven in your fraudulent schneider report?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report? Every second you are still here proves you are a liar.

What a nice way to attract custormers. Custormers don't really appericate being called "dumb".

But wal-mart Is famous for their rudeness. But they think they are empire of the world they don't care about custormer service.

IS it that hard to keep your receipt in hand and show the person it is paid for? Is it really THAT big of a deal. I didn't even read this to the end, I can't believe how rude you are to the poor person doing their job.

I've asked for receipts before.. When asking for one for a 42in TV I was showed the receipt for a $232 flat screen maybe 22in at most. Funny thing is I remember the first costumer buying the Smaller tv in my line. The guy in front of him joked about the heavy hooded coat the costumer with the tv was wearing on that VERY hot summer day. That is why we have to check receipts, you costumers bought this upon yourselves!

OK...maybe I just don't understand where you are comming from here. And I see this is beating a dead horse, but here is my 2 cents....

Everyone KNOWS the WAL-Mart security alarms go off for paid-for items all the time. If it goes off you show your receipt and you are on your way. Nobody ASSUMES you are a crook or a theif...UNLESS you do what you did and just keep on walking.

I understand that YOU aren't a thief, and YOU don't shoplift....but obviously LOTS of other people do. Wal-Mart has the highest loss to shop-lifting of ANY store-chain in the country. It is understandable to have them put a security measure like that in the door. Do you think all those sensors and bar codes and little beep-stickers are cheap to impliment store-wide? It should be a sign of how big of a deal it is that they are willing to pay all that to prevent shop lifting. And it DOES help...shoplifting losses have dropped since those systems were put in....they have definatly paid for themselves....

Now you may not care about all of this, but the store does. They aren't asking the world of you. They aren't doing a strip search. All they want is for you to stop and show your reciept if the doors beep. You have absolutly NO reason to deny them this small favor other than pride. You are just to d**n pridful and think "I shouldn't be treated like some common criminal, I am above this." You are just being strait up arrogant...you are not THAT special.

There are rules EVERYWHERE in life. When you go into a store and accept their prices then you accept their rules. Part of how Wal-mart keeps their prices low is through loss-prevention...if you are willing to walk in and pay that price then you have to be willing to follow the process that allow that price to exsist....if you don't like it...shop somewhere else. You don't HAVE to go to wal-mart.

The bottom line is that you are being a prideful arrogant jerk. You are willing to walk into wal-mart, enjoy the one stop shopping, and enjoy the prices, but turn your nose up in a bratty tantrum when slightly inconvienianced by one of the rules that allow the one-stop-shopping and price to exsist.

You are NOT a victim of ANYTHING other than hurt pride....get over yourself and get down off your high-horse.

I have nothing futher to say to you patrick. All ya'll do Is give me a hardtime. I am not an attention w***e. I have a right to make comments just like how ya'll have harassed me the whole time I have been on rip-off report.

I know what the problem Is that I report the truth they Is why people give me such a hardtime, & to just cause me more problems.

Ya'll don't care about anyone besides yourselfs. Ya'll just make peoples problems worse.

People are so heartless because ya'll think you are so untouchable.

OK, here is the pertinant law you quoted, with the applicable annotations:

943.50(3)
(3) A merchant, a merchant's adult employee or a merchant's security agent who has reasonable cause for believing that a person has violated this section in his or her presence may detain the person in a reasonable manner for a reasonable length of time to deliver the person to a peace officer, or to his or her parent or guardian in the case of a minor. The detained person must be promptly informed of the purpose for the detention and be permitted to make phone calls, but he or she shall not be interrogated or searched against his or her will before the arrival of a peace officer who may conduct a lawful interrogation of the accused person. The merchant, merchant's adult employee or merchant's security agent may release the detained person before the arrival of a peace officer or parent or guardian. Any merchant, merchant's adult employee or merchant's security agent who acts in good faith in any act authorized under this section is immune from civil or criminal liability for those acts.

943.50 - ANNOT.
Sub. (3) requires only that the merchant's employee have probable cause to believe that the person violated this section in the employee's presence; actual theft need not be committed in the employee's presence. State v. Lee, 157 Wis. 2d 126, 458 N.W.2d 562 (Ct. App. 1990).

943.50 - ANNOT.
Reasonableness under sub. (3) requires: 1) reasonable cause to believe that the person violated this section; 2) that the manner of the detention and the actions taken in an attempt to detain must be reasonable; and 3) that the length of the detention and the actions taken in an attempt to detain must be reasonable. An attempt to detain may include pursuit, including reasonable pursuit off the merchant's premises. Peters v. Menard, Inc. 224 Wis. 2d 174, 589 N.W.2d 395 (1999), 97-1514.

Nowhere in there does it define 'probable cause' or 'reasonable cause', nor does it state that sounding an anti-theft alarm consitutes probable or reasonable cause. Granted, I will give you that it is probably implied, but I'd better dollars to donuts that a good lawyer could successfully defend RJ in this case.

OK, here is the pertinant law you quoted, with the applicable annotations:

943.50(3)
(3) A merchant, a merchant's adult employee or a merchant's security agent who has reasonable cause for believing that a person has violated this section in his or her presence may detain the person in a reasonable manner for a reasonable length of time to deliver the person to a peace officer, or to his or her parent or guardian in the case of a minor. The detained person must be promptly informed of the purpose for the detention and be permitted to make phone calls, but he or she shall not be interrogated or searched against his or her will before the arrival of a peace officer who may conduct a lawful interrogation of the accused person. The merchant, merchant's adult employee or merchant's security agent may release the detained person before the arrival of a peace officer or parent or guardian. Any merchant, merchant's adult employee or merchant's security agent who acts in good faith in any act authorized under this section is immune from civil or criminal liability for those acts.

943.50 - ANNOT.
Sub. (3) requires only that the merchant's employee have probable cause to believe that the person violated this section in the employee's presence; actual theft need not be committed in the employee's presence. State v. Lee, 157 Wis. 2d 126, 458 N.W.2d 562 (Ct. App. 1990).

943.50 - ANNOT.
Reasonableness under sub. (3) requires: 1) reasonable cause to believe that the person violated this section; 2) that the manner of the detention and the actions taken in an attempt to detain must be reasonable; and 3) that the length of the detention and the actions taken in an attempt to detain must be reasonable. An attempt to detain may include pursuit, including reasonable pursuit off the merchant's premises. Peters v. Menard, Inc. 224 Wis. 2d 174, 589 N.W.2d 395 (1999), 97-1514.

Nowhere in there does it define 'probable cause' or 'reasonable cause', nor does it state that sounding an anti-theft alarm consitutes probable or reasonable cause. Granted, I will give you that it is probably implied, but I'd better dollars to donuts that a good lawyer could successfully defend RJ in this case.

If you review my post from 02-26-08, it gives more of the Wisconson law. To include probable cause. In all the states that I have looked at, if the store uses the anti-theft alarms and signs are posted announcing that, then the alarm going off is considered probable cause to detain the individual. Most cases here on ROR, as indeed this one, couls have easily been handled by the customer then showing the receipt to prove nothing had been stolen and then going on their way. However, many seem to think their 'rights' are being violated when asked for the receipt.

Is there anything on the books that defines 'reasonable cause'? I would have to say that the anti-theft alarm should be treated the same as unbagged merchandise. 'Resonable cause' would not only include the alarm going off, but also an eyewitness account by a store employee of concealment by the alleged offender.

The alarm at the door is simply a theft deterrent, not a sole means of catching actual shoplifters.

Charles said:

I did not call you a liar. I called you an attention w***e because you are. You proved it when you posted this:

I then went on to provide a very thorough answer to your original question. So, please tell me what I've done to wrong you here?

Wisconsin state law :943.50(3)
(3) A merchant, a merchant's adult employee or a merchant's security agent who has reasonable cause for believing that a person has violated this section in his or her presence may detain the person in a reasonable manner for a reasonable length of time to deliver the person to a peace officer, or to his or her parent or guardian in the case of a minor. The detained person must be promptly informed of the purpose for the detention and be permitted to make phone calls, but he or she shall not be interrogated or searched against his or her will before the arrival of a peace officer who may conduct a lawful interrogation of the accused person. The merchant, merchant's adult employee or merchant's security agent may release the detained person before the arrival of a peace officer or parent or guardian. Any merchant, merchant's adult employee or merchant's security agent who acts in good faith in any act authorized under this section is immune from civil or criminal liability for those acts.

The question here not showing the receipt, the question here is activation of the anti-theft alarm which RJ says happened. This is what gives Walmart employees the right to detain someone. Basically could/should have been resolved by showing the receipt to prove everything was paid for, but RJ didn't want his 'rights' trampled that way. So, Yes TD there is a law in Wisconsin and I would say probably in every other state that if the anti-theft alarm goes off the store employees have the right to detain you until the police get there.

To Joe Chosen ya'll just say these abusive things to try to get me upset. Who do you think you are talking to me like this. Then ya'll get mad when I say something back well tough s***!.

Who do you people think you are talking to me like that. Calling me a liar I am getting sick of It people like you saying I have no rights has a human being.

Rip-off report wasn't meant for bullies yet ya'll get to harass people call them liars, I am also tired of being slandered.

Of course we have to put up with bulls*** from people like you & john. Ya'll have no right to bully people.

I have a right to comment just like the bulls*** ya'll (UNFAIRLY) say about me. And yes ya'll do treat me unfairly.

Ya'll disregard peoples feelings like ya'll are the only ones that matter In the world. I don't give a rats a*s what ya'll think about me.

Don't like what I have to say tough, It Is my right just has It Is your right. But ya'll have no right to go slandering people.

Ya'll think ya'll have no problems & have everything, ya'll feel ya'll have the right to put down others or make fun of them like how ya'll treat me.

Thanks for helping point out more fraud this clown has perpetrated. There's so much of it, it takes multiple people on the case.

Therefore you are not entitled to post. Several years ago you said you would never go into a Walmart store again. Since you have not been into a Walmart since you have no firsthand information to base your opinion on. But wait, you never have shared an opinion based on fact or personal experience. Not even with any verified information. That makes a liar and a fraud. Nothing you say makes any sense.

Make up your mind.

'I have a right to make a consumer comment'

>>yes, but the lies are just getting ridiculous coming from you.

'And john nothing you say bothers me so you can continue to slander me all you feel like.'

>>Another lie and I have not slandered you as I have proven my accusations with your own words so you slander yourself. I do not make you post lies. You do it yorself. When are you going to apologize to Steve for lying to him as has been proven with fact in another report?

'I still see you are bothering people on there complaints. Get a life john besides trying to ruin peoples complaints & lives.'

>>We are still waiting for any shred of evidence to these lies.
When are you going to leave like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report? Every minute you are still around here proves it is a lie.

I dont lie either john. I have a right to be here just like you john. But It does not give you the right to continue to harass me.

Everything you have described In your post Is what you do. So don't call me a liar. I have NOT!!!! posted any FRAUDGLENT complaints or I haven't LIED about anything.

So nothing you say bothers me or scares me I report the truth. Why do you defend these garbage companies you are agaisnt consumer rights, you are for consumer abuse.

You even had the nerve to accuse the people who run & operate this site of writing false complaints & trying to get money from businesses to remove them.

This Is a bold face lie from the thousand's of business who have been reported on this site, because of there fraud they perpetrate & treat consumers wrong & try to ruin there site.

Then we have to put up with people like you who try to ruin everything for consumers not to be taken advantage of again!. So I don't care what you or anyone else says about me john.

This will be my last time responding to you or anyone else. I also have right to comment just like you john, but I don't go around making up stuff about people like you do john.

I dont lie either john. I have a right to be here just like you john. But It does not give you the right to continue to harass me.

Everything you have described In your post Is what you do. So don't call me a liar. I have NOT!!!! posted any FRAUDGLENT complaints or I haven't LIED about anything.

So nothing you say bothers me or scares me I report the truth. Why do you defend these garbage companies you are agaisnt consumer rights, you are for consumer abuse.

You even had the nerve to accuse the people who run & operate this site of writing false complaints & trying to get money from businesses to remove them.

This Is a bold face lie from the thousand's of business who have been reported on this site, because of there fraud they perpetrate & treat consumers wrong & try to ruin there site.

Then we have to put up with people like you who try to ruin everything for consumers not to be taken advantage of again!. So I don't care what you or anyone else says about me john.

This will be my last time responding to you or anyone else. I also have right to comment just like you john, but I don't go around making up stuff about people like you do john.

I dont lie either john. I have a right to be here just like you john. But It does not give you the right to continue to harass me.

Everything you have described In your post Is what you do. So don't call me a liar. I have NOT!!!! posted any FRAUDGLENT complaints or I haven't LIED about anything.

So nothing you say bothers me or scares me I report the truth. Why do you defend these garbage companies you are agaisnt consumer rights, you are for consumer abuse.

You even had the nerve to accuse the people who run & operate this site of writing false complaints & trying to get money from businesses to remove them.

This Is a bold face lie from the thousand's of business who have been reported on this site, because of there fraud they perpetrate & treat consumers wrong & try to ruin there site.

Then we have to put up with people like you who try to ruin everything for consumers not to be taken advantage of again!. So I don't care what you or anyone else says about me john.

This will be my last time responding to you or anyone else. I also have right to comment just like you john, but I don't go around making up stuff about people like you do john.

I dont lie either john. I have a right to be here just like you john. But It does not give you the right to continue to harass me.

Everything you have described In your post Is what you do. So don't call me a liar. I have NOT!!!! posted any FRAUDGLENT complaints or I haven't LIED about anything.

So nothing you say bothers me or scares me I report the truth. Why do you defend these garbage companies you are agaisnt consumer rights, you are for consumer abuse.

You even had the nerve to accuse the people who run & operate this site of writing false complaints & trying to get money from businesses to remove them.

This Is a bold face lie from the thousand's of business who have been reported on this site, because of there fraud they perpetrate & treat consumers wrong & try to ruin there site.

Then we have to put up with people like you who try to ruin everything for consumers not to be taken advantage of again!. So I don't care what you or anyone else says about me john.

This will be my last time responding to you or anyone else. I also have right to comment just like you john, but I don't go around making up stuff about people like you do john.

I have a right to make a consumer comment. And john nothing you say bothers me so you can continue to slander me all you feel like.

I still see you are bothering people on there complaints. Get a life john besides trying to ruin peoples complaints & lives.

To the idiots who say that the Wal-Mart civilians have any right to detain a customer physically, I challenge you:

Cite, in specific detail, which law allows anyone other than law enforcement to legally detain ANYONE against their will when that person refuses to produce a receipt upon demand.

I worked armed security while putting myself through college, so don't try to BS me. Security guards are CIVILIANS, not law enforcement. They exist to OBSERVE AND REPORT, nothing more. In the case of theft, the job of the security guard is to follow a suspected shoplifter to the lot, write down the license plate of the alleged shoplifter, and report all information to LAW ENFORCEMENT. Of course, these employees (i.e. civilians) had better be sure about their report. Filing theft charges without evidence will result in a civil suit against Wal-Mart AND possible criminal charges against you personally for filing a false report.

It matters not whether they are on private property. By that line of reasoning, if you were to walk on my property and ask for directions and I believed that you stole something before you arrived at my door, I would have the legal right to physically detain you against your will. That, as you well know, is nothing less than KIDNAPPING...a felony that can and will land you in the big house for a very long time.

In the case of Wal-Mart, Steve is 100% correct. Once that merchandise is paid for and a receipt issued, it belongs to ME. Wal-Mart has absolutely NO title to demand ANYTHING...PERIOD.

I once had a Wal-Mart employee ask to see my receipt AFTER I had passed through the detector. I kept walking and he followed me out to the lot. I told him that every choice has a consequence - and that any actions by him to detain a shopper who has paid for the merchandise (and passed through Wal-Mart's own security system) would be met with swift and absolute retaliation. Once a private citizen puts his hands on you or your family, you have a legal right to defend both - even if it means a dirt nap for the aggressor. The employee tucked his tail between his legs and scurried back to his rat hole in my case. Perhaps the thought of someone ripping his arms off and picking his teeth with them was too painful of a thought to bear.

And there was no reason to post to this thread, much less twice but you are the attention w***e the Patrick points out and then you cry when you are proven to be the lying fraud you are.
When are you going to apologize to Steve for lying to him?

'No patrick people people tend to ignore me cause they know I am right.'

>>No, we have PROVEN (with your own words) you are wrong so that makes this statement another lie.

'Besides judging me calling me a liar thinking you are better then me.'

>>No one has to judge you, you post your own lies for all to see. Someone calling a lie a lie is not judging. We know we are better than you because we work for a living, pay our bills, and don;t lie or try and perpetrate fraud like you do.

'Why can't ya'll say anything positive without all the name calling.'

>>We have....you just don't want to admit it because then you are admitting you are a liar. Just like asking that question is a lie. Pointing out the lying, deadbeat, fraud you are is very positive to those who read your crap and may be misled by your constant lies. You have yet to prove any accusation you have fraudulently made. You've been given plenty of time to do so.

'That will make this site alot better, Its to help people .'

>>Yes, when you finally leave like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report, it will become a much better site.

And there was no reason to post to this thread, much less twice but you are the attention w***e the Patrick points out and then you cry when you are proven to be the lying fraud you are.
When are you going to apologize to Steve for lying to him?

'No patrick people people tend to ignore me cause they know I am right.'

>>No, we have PROVEN (with your own words) you are wrong so that makes this statement another lie.

'Besides judging me calling me a liar thinking you are better then me.'

>>No one has to judge you, you post your own lies for all to see. Someone calling a lie a lie is not judging. We know we are better than you because we work for a living, pay our bills, and don;t lie or try and perpetrate fraud like you do.

'Why can't ya'll say anything positive without all the name calling.'

>>We have....you just don't want to admit it because then you are admitting you are a liar. Just like asking that question is a lie. Pointing out the lying, deadbeat, fraud you are is very positive to those who read your crap and may be misled by your constant lies. You have yet to prove any accusation you have fraudulently made. You've been given plenty of time to do so.

'That will make this site alot better, Its to help people .'

>>Yes, when you finally leave like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report, it will become a much better site.

And there was no reason to post to this thread, much less twice but you are the attention w***e the Patrick points out and then you cry when you are proven to be the lying fraud you are.
When are you going to apologize to Steve for lying to him?

'No patrick people people tend to ignore me cause they know I am right.'

>>No, we have PROVEN (with your own words) you are wrong so that makes this statement another lie.

'Besides judging me calling me a liar thinking you are better then me.'

>>No one has to judge you, you post your own lies for all to see. Someone calling a lie a lie is not judging. We know we are better than you because we work for a living, pay our bills, and don;t lie or try and perpetrate fraud like you do.

'Why can't ya'll say anything positive without all the name calling.'

>>We have....you just don't want to admit it because then you are admitting you are a liar. Just like asking that question is a lie. Pointing out the lying, deadbeat, fraud you are is very positive to those who read your crap and may be misled by your constant lies. You have yet to prove any accusation you have fraudulently made. You've been given plenty of time to do so.

'That will make this site alot better, Its to help people .'

>>Yes, when you finally leave like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report, it will become a much better site.

No patrick people people tend to ignore me cause they know I am right. Besides judging me calling me a liar thinking you are better then me. Why can't ya'll say anything positive without all the name calling.

That will make this site alot better, Its to help people .

Inspector...You STILL just don't get it!
Are you really that dense??
YOU must work at Wal-Mart!

The bottom line is, LEGALLY, I do not have to show my reciept. Period.
Once I "check out" at the register and pay, that merchandise, including the reciept IS MY PROPERTY. I don't have to prove anything to anyone.

It is just principal. Why are so many people just SHEEP that bend over for anyone who demands it?

I'm not a sheep.

I defended our constitutional rights, and will continue to do so.

And, I WILL use deadly force on some rent-a-cop who gets stupid with me...Legally!

If you kill the first one, the rest will go away.
Try it sometime.


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Submitted: 9/24/2008 4:23:09 AM
Modified: 9/25/2008 3:25:00 AM Inspector
Tobyhanna, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Steve---You don't have to pull your wallet out at the door if you keep your receipt in your hand at checkout
This is America!! But, we have surrendered our individual freedom when the government decided to make seat belts mandatory. Smoking prohibited anywhere in some cities. There is even talk about mandatory health insurance in some states. When you give up even one freedom, don't complain about others.

Walmart is on private property, if you don't like the rules, don't enter. You surrendered your right to complain when you entered.
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Submitted: 1/30/2009 5:33:00 AM
Modified: 1/30/2009 8:04:56 AM Inspector
Tobyhanna, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Your point is very clear
You are obviously too important to be delayed and inconvenienced by something so trivial as showing a reciept. Most honest people have no problem with it. I personally couldn't care less. I think you protest too much.



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Charles,

Sadly, but your last two posts show how much of an attention w***e you really are, and the reason why many people tend to ignore whatever you have to say.

However, you asked a legitimate question, and it deserves a legitimate answer. Once you purchase an item and the merchant receives your payment, that property has now been converted to you. From that point on, you need not have to prove that it belongs to you. What if you bought a new jacket there the day before, and then go in the next day. Are you then required to show prook that the jacket belongs to you the next day? Doesn't make sense, does it. If we continue to cave to Wal-Mart's 'policy' of receipt checking, it could very well get to that level of stupidity. (Of course, Sam's Club and Costco are different as you agree to a receipt check when you get the membership).

Wal-Mart can ASK to see your receipt upon exiting their store, but they cannot REQUIRE you to show it. If they ask for it, you refuse, and they try to detain you, you then have grounds to sue them.

The only way they can stop you when you're leaving the store is if they have a suspicion that you have not paid for your item. In most states, that suspicion has to be coupled with an eyewitness account by an LP associate of you trying to exit the store after concealing or otherwise failing to pay for merchandise.

Some people say that setting off the door alarm is sufficient for reasonable suspicion of theft. I say it isn't. Nine times out of ten it's a simple matter of the cashier not having deactivated a security tag. It's not my problem they can't properly do their job, and it's not my responsibility to assist Wal-Mart in properly training their employees.

I'm still waiting for the day that a door greeter wants to see my receipt for the 24-pack of toilet paper under my cart, and then tries to forcibly detain me. I can guarantee you there'd be a lawsuit filed faster than you can say 'Stop, thief!'.

I guess people don't like It I made a comment. Well big deal I don't care If they don't like what I have to say.

If they saw you pay for your items why do we still have to show the receipt. Walmart Is to paranoid. If people have paid for there items why does walmart still make you show your receipt.

I am sure i'll get blasted & persecuted for asking that. Everyone custormer Is to blame & wallmart never does anything wrong.

This was YOUR fault and the store acted completely appropriately. They had every right to think of you as a thief when you refused to show your receipt. You chose to shop there and therefore you must follow their rules. If you have such a problem with them, why would you ever go back??

If they did not have those sensors to catch shoplifters and the shoplifters got away with it, their prices would rise, which I am sure you would complain about as well.

It was YOUR responsibility to abide by the rules of the store you chose to shop in and you have no one but yourself to blame for what happened.

You are obviously too important to be delayed and inconvenienced by something so trivial as showing a reciept. Most honest people have no problem with it. I personally couldn't care less. I think you protest too much.

"Inspector",

YOU MISSED THE WHOLE POINT I WAS MAKING!!

My whole point was that I use my DEBIT CARD [from my checking account] and I immediately put the reciept in my wallet at the register SO IT DOES NOT GET LOST, and therefore avoid the problem of not deducting it from my checking account register.

[Yes, I am the minority who actually keeps an accurate checkbook register, and do not ever pay NSF fees].

Furthermore, using your moronic method puts me at further risk of having to pull out my wallet in the parking lot, which may invite a confrontation where I would have to shoot and kill some moron, or worse yet have the wind blow away my reciept!

The point you are missing here, is that I do waht WORKS FOR ME.
I don't care how you do it or how you want it done!
MY CHOICE.

Just as it is MY CHOICE not to show my reciept to the jerkoff at the door BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE TO!! [Legally].

Lets not mix issues here, as many people have been doing. I am not talking about setting off an alarm or detector here. I am talking about random/unprovoked reciept checking.

Once I "checkout" at the register, that merchandise LEGALLY belongs to me, and the store does not legally have any more rights to check my reciept or to look in MY bags. They simply DO NOT have the LEGAL right to do so.

That is my point.

Learn how to read and pay attention.





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Submitted: 9/24/2008 4:23:09 AM
Modified: 9/25/2008 3:25:00 AM Inspector
Tobyhanna, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Steve---You don't have to pull your wallet out at the door if you keep your receipt in your hand at checkout
This is America!! But, we have surrendered our individual freedom when the government decided to make seat belts mandatory. Smoking prohibited anywhere in some cities. There is even talk about mandatory health insurance in some states. When you give up even one freedom, don't complain about others.

Walmart is on private property, if you don't like the rules, don't enter. You surrendered your right to complain when you entered.
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I do not show my receipts at all when I exit stores. I have never seen any signs that say you must in order to exit. When others are help up at the door waiting to get out, I just walk right past them. I do this at Wal-Mart & especially Sam's Club. I don't believe that I have set off the alarms & I have never had a run in with store security.

I don't blame you for not stopping. I they want to catch shoplifters, they will have to find another way & not harass me.

I don't need a good book. I just need to read all your wonderful comments about Walmart! Where else could one find such a plethora of varying comments, insults, snipes, truth, fiction, law reviews, and on and on.

Aaron, I don't know what EAS tag Walmart is using, whether it is a Checkpoint or Sensormatic tag. I may have these backwards, but the Checkpoint tag is usually placed at or near the UPC code that gets scanned at the register. The tag is supposed to get deactivated when you scan the UPC code over their scanners. The Sensormatic tags are more problematic. They are like an antenna in their operation and if they get too near a lot of metal or aluminum in the package, they don't work more than 50% of the time.

As RJ mentioned, if 40 out of 100 people have actually tried to steal something (My apologies if not quoted correctly), then you can see why more and more stores are using EAS tags. I work for a consumer products company and the largest store chains, such as Walmart, CVS, Walgreens, etc. almost all use EAS tags in at least 50% or more of their merchandise that is of any value. People steal these places all the time and the company loses and so do we as consumers, because we pay the higher costs for the high store losses.

It strikes me a lot of the problem with Walmart is since they institiuted the self checkout centers because they don't want to pay enough cashiers. What a waste of time they have become. People are typically kind enough to use them only when they have less than 20 items, but you see full buggies going through them all the time, making them slower than if they had just used a cashier. Walmart hasn't got enough sense to maintain a true 10 items or less line and the one at our store, they also sell tobacco at the same register and you have to wait on the people till they make up their mind what type of cigarettes they want. Then there are the ones who can't count past their 10 fingers and come up with more than 10 items anyway.

You always have to do the extra scan on their star thing to supposedly deactivate the EAS tag. I would imagine quite a few people either forget to do that or don't do it properly and thusly end up setting off their alarms. Their instructions on how to properly do it leave a lot to be desired. I suspect as others have mentioned the cashiers contribute to this as well in not deactivating the EAS tags properly.

RJ's review strikes me as a little extreme, but you can't blame him for if this is been happening to him on a regular basis. Tony the greeter should be fired by Walmart and RJ should sue him for verbal assault. I don't buy the credit cards set it off story. I have a ton of credit cards in my wallet and they have never set off one of their sensors or anyone's sensors for that matter. Still, I commend RJ for trying to get the point across in the fallacies of all that goes on with this Walmart problem.

There are so many things Walmart could do to improve this, and they don't bother.

Anyone that knows anything about retail security will pretty much agree with the original poster. After working retail in some inner city stores, the scariest shoplifters are not the ones that will stop for some inconvenient beeping at the door. These are the guys that roll the van up by the front door and lift multiple carts into the side and take off. Yeah, the blue-haired grandmothers walking out with the Vagisil in their pockets can add up over time. But any reputable security analyst will tell you that internal theft/employees are actually the biggest problem in any store.

Now that I have THAT out of my system...

We are talking about Wisconsin. In this area, the WalMart stores have driven the mom and pops and corner drug stores out of business, especially in the more rural areas. So, for those that are saying, "well, you don't have to shop there you know!" that may be true but it is simply not practical for most families that live in the more outlying areas. WalMart (sadly and scarily) is the link to humanity for many.

I feel RJ's pain. When companies use deterrent devices, they can't slap them by the doors and knowingly let them alarm willy nilly. Using that model, why not simply save the expense and have an infrared eye that alarms for each person, at least that way every shopper is inconvenienced equally. If they have a deterrant alarm on premise, they also have a duty to properly use and maintain the system.

In this area, WalMart does a shabby job of teaching it's employees to properly deactivate security tags. How do I know this? I worked at a competitor as a Customer Service Supervisor for a decade and part of my job was to properly train new cashiers, which included security tag deactivations. The simple fact of the matter is, most WalMart cashiers and WalMart management in this area don't pay attention or care what is going on IMO.

So, couple that with a "security" system that admittedly alarms the majority of the time for absolutely no reason (i.e. it's summer, I'm wearing shorts/t-shirt, carrying only one car key, change and a small bag with snacks I just purchased) why should I be treated like a criminal and made to prove I'm not sneaking out with an Xbox in my pants?

Now, if it were an extremely occasional situation, perhaps I wouldn't feel so strongly about it. But within a six month period, I was a victim of the alarms eight out of 10 times I went in for something. And I had paid for everything each time.

I also agree that too many people have a lemming mentality, individual freedoms be damned. Do we need to walk in and videotape our purses/pockets/persons beforehand to prove we are honest? I have also promised myself that if it happens again, I will also be sailing on through the checkpoint. Until they can produce evidence that they have 100% continuous observation of me concealing with intent to defraud, they can kiss my behind.

Well I must say that you are a good writer. I felt like I reading a great mystery novel but then it just ended in you making a fool of yourself. All you had to do was stop. It happens to all of us. We show are receipt and go on our merry way. But no, you had to cause a huge scene instead. Good for you!! That'll show 'em.

I too think its sad that this is what our stores have to resort to. But we live in a society today that you can't trust. You never know who is stealing. Parents go to walmart to steal with their children. It's sad, I know.

I am pretty sure you would still have your dignity if you wouldn't have blown everything way out of proportion and made yourself look guilty. You went through all that humiliation for nothing. Poor Tony was just trying to do his job. You wouldn't even respond to him at first. Of course he is going to think you are either hard of hearing or stealing something.

I am not sure why PJ told you the security strip could not be deactivated inside the box. I have bought quite a few things like that and never had a problem. Recently I bought a digital camera there and when I got home and opened the battery compartment, the security strip was in there. They have to do that because people think they are smart when they take the item out of the box. Thus it shows you are NOT smart if you are stealing in the first place.

Here are some tips:

1. Don't shop anywhere with security systems (so you're left with shopping online, yard sales, or flea markets).

2. Tell the cashier to make sure that he or she scans all your items over the deactivation strip as they are scanning and bagging.

3. Just show your receipt.

I hope this has helped you and you will not repeat this embarrassing situation. I also hope you didn't compromise Tony's job. Keep up the good work, Tony!!

Well I must say that you are a good writer. I felt like I reading a great mystery novel but then it just ended in you making a fool of yourself. All you had to do was stop. It happens to all of us. We show are receipt and go on our merry way. But no, you had to cause a huge scene instead. Good for you!! That'll show 'em.

I too think its sad that this is what our stores have to resort to. But we live in a society today that you can't trust. You never know who is stealing. Parents go to walmart to steal with their children. It's sad, I know.

I am pretty sure you would still have your dignity if you wouldn't have blown everything way out of proportion and made yourself look guilty. You went through all that humiliation for nothing. Poor Tony was just trying to do his job. You wouldn't even respond to him at first. Of course he is going to think you are either hard of hearing or stealing something.

I am not sure why PJ told you the security strip could not be deactivated inside the box. I have bought quite a few things like that and never had a problem. Recently I bought a digital camera there and when I got home and opened the battery compartment, the security strip was in there. They have to do that because people think they are smart when they take the item out of the box. Thus it shows you are NOT smart if you are stealing in the first place.

Here are some tips:

1. Don't shop anywhere with security systems (so you're left with shopping online, yard sales, or flea markets).

2. Tell the cashier to make sure that he or she scans all your items over the deactivation strip as they are scanning and bagging.

3. Just show your receipt.

I hope this has helped you and you will not repeat this embarrassing situation. I also hope you didn't compromise Tony's job. Keep up the good work, Tony!!

Well I must say that you are a good writer. I felt like I reading a great mystery novel but then it just ended in you making a fool of yourself. All you had to do was stop. It happens to all of us. We show are receipt and go on our merry way. But no, you had to cause a huge scene instead. Good for you!! That'll show 'em.

I too think its sad that this is what our stores have to resort to. But we live in a society today that you can't trust. You never know who is stealing. Parents go to walmart to steal with their children. It's sad, I know.

I am pretty sure you would still have your dignity if you wouldn't have blown everything way out of proportion and made yourself look guilty. You went through all that humiliation for nothing. Poor Tony was just trying to do his job. You wouldn't even respond to him at first. Of course he is going to think you are either hard of hearing or stealing something.

I am not sure why PJ told you the security strip could not be deactivated inside the box. I have bought quite a few things like that and never had a problem. Recently I bought a digital camera there and when I got home and opened the battery compartment, the security strip was in there. They have to do that because people think they are smart when they take the item out of the box. Thus it shows you are NOT smart if you are stealing in the first place.

Here are some tips:

1. Don't shop anywhere with security systems (so you're left with shopping online, yard sales, or flea markets).

2. Tell the cashier to make sure that he or she scans all your items over the deactivation strip as they are scanning and bagging.

3. Just show your receipt.

I hope this has helped you and you will not repeat this embarrassing situation. I also hope you didn't compromise Tony's job. Keep up the good work, Tony!!

Well I must say that you are a good writer. I felt like I reading a great mystery novel but then it just ended in you making a fool of yourself. All you had to do was stop. It happens to all of us. We show are receipt and go on our merry way. But no, you had to cause a huge scene instead. Good for you!! That'll show 'em.

I too think its sad that this is what our stores have to resort to. But we live in a society today that you can't trust. You never know who is stealing. Parents go to walmart to steal with their children. It's sad, I know.

I am pretty sure you would still have your dignity if you wouldn't have blown everything way out of proportion and made yourself look guilty. You went through all that humiliation for nothing. Poor Tony was just trying to do his job. You wouldn't even respond to him at first. Of course he is going to think you are either hard of hearing or stealing something.

I am not sure why PJ told you the security strip could not be deactivated inside the box. I have bought quite a few things like that and never had a problem. Recently I bought a digital camera there and when I got home and opened the battery compartment, the security strip was in there. They have to do that because people think they are smart when they take the item out of the box. Thus it shows you are NOT smart if you are stealing in the first place.

Here are some tips:

1. Don't shop anywhere with security systems (so you're left with shopping online, yard sales, or flea markets).

2. Tell the cashier to make sure that he or she scans all your items over the deactivation strip as they are scanning and bagging.

3. Just show your receipt.

I hope this has helped you and you will not repeat this embarrassing situation. I also hope you didn't compromise Tony's job. Keep up the good work, Tony!!

This post is absolutely profound in its ignorance.

If you activate an electronic article surveillance alarm while passing through it, the store has every right to detain you and check your receipt. If you try to flee, security can use reasonable force to stop you. You opened yourself up to accusations of "thief".

It's a matter of case law. Google "Sporny v. Burlington Coat Factory Warehouse" and read what an actual federal judge had to say about it.

Here are the good parts:

"But I conclude that the defendants are entitled tosummary judgment in their favor because in light of a Pennsylvania statute and the undisputed facts of this case, there
was probable cause for plaintiff's detention.

...

On the other hand, not only did plaintiff set off the alarm with unpaid merchandise, but she acted suspiciously in attempting to leave the store after the alarm went off. A shoplifter might well believe that concealing an article among a
large number of purchased items would reduce the likelihood of detection. Not all store customers are familiar with plastic sensors and their operation.

...

There is, indeed, a material issue of disputed fact as to whether the plaintiff did, as she testified, place the pocketbook on the cashier's counter for checkout - in which case, it was the cashier's error, and not plaintiff's criminality,
which set off the alarm - or whether, as the cashier testified, no pocketbook was presented, all items presented by the plaintiff were rung up and paid for, and all of plaintiff's purchases were again passed over a sensor device at the cashier's counter to make sure that there were no sensors attached to any of the items after the sale. But these factual disputes go merely to
questions of guilt or innocence, and in no way affect the probable cause issue."

RJ got what he deserved. Regardless of whether or not you are actually guilty of shoplifting, activating the alarm and refusing to comply with the merchant's employees instructions to confirm that you paid for the item are probable cause to detain you and if you have merchandise on you that you did not pay for, you will probably go to jail.

By all means, push your lawsuit. Next time, you can write a RipOff Report on your attorney when you lose.

You know if my memory serves me I am innocent til proven guilty. I agree with RJ with not stopping. Why should I have to stop because some young pimpled face punk or some old barely able to walk greeter says to stop. If this ever happens to me I'll do the same by saying no. They can call the cops on me if they want to. I will be long gone by time they get there. I would also sue that walmart for character assination. When that employee called you a thief that's all everyone saw. Unless they actually have proof such as an employee seeing you stuff something away then the sensor going I don't consider the sensor proof enough that you are a theif.

Since when did this thread become a political debate. I am a Republican (and proud of it) but have never been known to "bullie" or judge other people (nor do I blow up levees). You've taken a thread about something that is a huge problem (invasion of privacy by Wal-mart door greeters) and made it into a forum for your personal vendetta against Republicans.

Wal-mart is free to give money to whomever they please. If you don't like where they give money, you are free not to shop there. Heaven forbid that a non-Republican's money should go to us "evil" Republicans.

Oh, and just so you all know, I am not one of those rich white Republicans. I am actually a poor hispanic. I love my country and typically love my party (though I'm not too thrilled with our current candidate - but that's another issue). I don't know where you get your drivel about Republicans being able to dish it out without being able to take it. Take a good long look at the Democratic party sometime.

Getting back on the subject of the thread. People should not be bullied into showing their receipts for merchandise that is paid for. I don't want some stranger pawing through my bags. What I buy is my business and once I've paid for the items, they belong to me. Would you let someone rifle through your home? It's time to grow backbones and take a stand. If there is no good reason to check my bags/receipt, I won't allow them to do so. I try to avoid going to Wal-mart whenever possible. Besides, most of the people that shop there are RUDE! (But that's another thread.)

Oh, and just so you know, there are many Republicans who care about customer service just as I'm sure there are many Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, et cetera who care about customer service. That's not a political issue.

Grow up and quit whining....and learn some spelling, grammar, capitalization rules and punctuation. It's "bully" not "bullie," idiot. You have a right to your own opinion, but we have a right not to have to read uneducated drivel that gets completely off the topic of the main issue of the thread.


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Since when did this thread become a political debate. I am a Republican (and proud of it) but have never been known to "bullie" or judge other people (nor do I blow up levees). You've taken a thread about something that is a huge problem (invasion of privacy by Wal-mart door greeters) and made it into a forum for your personal vendetta against Republicans.

Wal-mart is free to give money to whomever they please. If you don't like where they give money, you are free not to shop there. Heaven forbid that a non-Republican's money should go to us "evil" Republicans.

Oh, and just so you all know, I am not one of those rich white Republicans. I am actually a poor hispanic. I love my country and typically love my party (though I'm not too thrilled with our current candidate - but that's another issue). I don't know where you get your drivel about Republicans being able to dish it out without being able to take it. Take a good long look at the Democratic party sometime.

Getting back on the subject of the thread. People should not be bullied into showing their receipts for merchandise that is paid for. I don't want some stranger pawing through my bags. What I buy is my business and once I've paid for the items, they belong to me. Would you let someone rifle through your home? It's time to grow backbones and take a stand. If there is no good reason to check my bags/receipt, I won't allow them to do so. I try to avoid going to Wal-mart whenever possible. Besides, most of the people that shop there are RUDE! (But that's another thread.)

Oh, and just so you know, there are many Republicans who care about customer service just as I'm sure there are many Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, et cetera who care about customer service. That's not a political issue.

Grow up and quit whining....and learn some spelling, grammar, capitalization rules and punctuation. It's "bully" not "bullie," idiot. You have a right to your own opinion, but we have a right not to have to read uneducated drivel that gets completely off the topic of the main issue of the thread.


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Since when did this thread become a political debate. I am a Republican (and proud of it) but have never been known to "bullie" or judge other people (nor do I blow up levees). You've taken a thread about something that is a huge problem (invasion of privacy by Wal-mart door greeters) and made it into a forum for your personal vendetta against Republicans.

Wal-mart is free to give money to whomever they please. If you don't like where they give money, you are free not to shop there. Heaven forbid that a non-Republican's money should go to us "evil" Republicans.

Oh, and just so you all know, I am not one of those rich white Republicans. I am actually a poor hispanic. I love my country and typically love my party (though I'm not too thrilled with our current candidate - but that's another issue). I don't know where you get your drivel about Republicans being able to dish it out without being able to take it. Take a good long look at the Democratic party sometime.

Getting back on the subject of the thread. People should not be bullied into showing their receipts for merchandise that is paid for. I don't want some stranger pawing through my bags. What I buy is my business and once I've paid for the items, they belong to me. Would you let someone rifle through your home? It's time to grow backbones and take a stand. If there is no good reason to check my bags/receipt, I won't allow them to do so. I try to avoid going to Wal-mart whenever possible. Besides, most of the people that shop there are RUDE! (But that's another thread.)

Oh, and just so you know, there are many Republicans who care about customer service just as I'm sure there are many Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, et cetera who care about customer service. That's not a political issue.

Grow up and quit whining....and learn some spelling, grammar, capitalization rules and punctuation. It's "bully" not "bullie," idiot. You have a right to your own opinion, but we have a right not to have to read uneducated drivel that gets completely off the topic of the main issue of the thread.


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This is America!! But, we have surrendered our individual freedom when the government decided to make seat belts mandatory. Smoking prohibited anywhere in some cities. There is even talk about mandatory health insurance in some states. When you give up even one freedom, don't complain about others.

Walmart is on private property, if you don't like the rules, don't enter. You surrendered your right to complain when you entered.

Walmart Walmart....I just found this sight, and this issue caught my attention. I am a "Runner" as walmart labels me. Proud of it! I used to get stopped so much my kids knew the "Greeters" by name. I finally said no more! A multi billion dollar company and they can't get the security system right....C'mon folks... If more people would just smile and say no, i'm not stopping, nicely. Just maybe Walmart would get it together and fix this issue. I have never had a problem with Target or Kmart's security system, not one stop in my life. So HOORAH to the original poster!

"Inspector",

You are still missing the point.

And, before I get started, I am NOT a Democrat, nor am I am a Republican. I am not any form of gang member. And, that partisan drivel is totally irrelevent to this thread.

Now, back to WalMart. Not showing a reciept at the door has nothing to do with "some people just like confrontation". It has nothing to do with confrontation!

It has everything to do with your legal rights! Is that a concept you cannot understand?

Once I pay for my merchandise at the "CHECKOUT REGISTER", by law, I have been "CHECKED OUT". At this point the transfer of ownership of that merchandise has LEGALLY taken place. WalMart has no legal right past this point to inspect my bag or merchandise or see a reciept. THAT IS THE LAW.

Also, lets NOT confuse routine "reciept checking" with "suspicion of shoplifting".
I think that is the root of confusion on this thread. People are not seeing the difference between the 2 totally separate issues here.

As I have stated before, I use a debit card when I shop at WalMart, AND I keep an accurate checkbook register too. Therefore, my reciept must be kept secure so I can get it home and deduct that amount from my checkbook register.

With that in mind, as soon as I pay with my debit card, and LEGALLY "checked out", my reciept goes securely into my wallet which in turn goes securely into my pocket and does not come out again until I get home.

And, in todays society of losers and high crime, pulling my wallet out for the loser at the door puts me at risk of being a target for a snatch of my wallet at the door, etc. I do things smart when in public and do not open myself up to robbery, etc.

I don't care what the WalMart door checker likes. This is America. If they don't like it, they can find a new job.

Now, if they are accusing me of theft, that is a whole different story!
[How do you spell EARLY RETIREMENT]??

Submitted: 9/22/2008 10:39:22 AM
Modified: 9/22/2008 8:06:30 PM Inspector
Tobyhanna, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Democrats need Walmart
How else could they get a job? Seriously, I agree with Toby, why not just show the receipt and be done with it. I think some people just like confrontation. Honest people rarely object because they never have anything to hide. Store theft drives prices up, which is passed on to the consumer. Employee theft accounts for the vast majority of losses that most stores endure. I am sure that Walmart employees are subject to more scrutiny than the customers.
Charles needs to get a life.

I have a right to my opinion just like you do.

Did I offend you well If I did I don't care. These Is why republicans are so hated, they bullie & judge people.

They can dish It out but they sure can't take It back.

Walmart gives big money to bush they probally have given big money to mcshame. A divided country will not stand.

But these republican voters do not care, I have a right to my opinion just like you do yours. Sorry If that upsets you & the rest of the republican voters.

No we do not need walmart all walmart cares about Is money not about custormer service.

Just like these businesses they think they got away with It once victimizing custormers they will continue to do It.

People can't stand It If I have say about something well I don't care If It upsets them I have a right to my own opinion just like they do.

How else could they get a job? Seriously, I agree with Toby, why not just show the receipt and be done with it. I think some people just like confrontation. Honest people rarely object because they never have anything to hide. Store theft drives prices up, which is passed on to the consumer. Employee theft accounts for the vast majority of losses that most stores endure. I am sure that Walmart employees are subject to more scrutiny than the customers.
Charles needs to get a life.

How else could they get a job? Seriously, I agree with Toby, why not just show the receipt and be done with it. I think some people just like confrontation. Honest people rarely object because they never have anything to hide. Store theft drives prices up, which is passed on to the consumer. Employee theft accounts for the vast majority of losses that most stores endure. I am sure that Walmart employees are subject to more scrutiny than the customers.
Charles needs to get a life.

How else could they get a job? Seriously, I agree with Toby, why not just show the receipt and be done with it. I think some people just like confrontation. Honest people rarely object because they never have anything to hide. Store theft drives prices up, which is passed on to the consumer. Employee theft accounts for the vast majority of losses that most stores endure. I am sure that Walmart employees are subject to more scrutiny than the customers.
Charles needs to get a life.

How else could they get a job? Seriously, I agree with Toby, why not just show the receipt and be done with it. I think some people just like confrontation. Honest people rarely object because they never have anything to hide. Store theft drives prices up, which is passed on to the consumer. Employee theft accounts for the vast majority of losses that most stores endure. I am sure that Walmart employees are subject to more scrutiny than the customers.
Charles needs to get a life.

I guess I should tell my family who are all democrats needs to stop giving there hard earn money to walmart.

Because they give big money to bush, I will stop shopping @ walmart myself & quit giving them the money I have even if the puchase Is small.

They employees are rude walmart Is republican, & republican voters shop @ wal-mart that Is why they shop @ walmart.

Walmart has 200 billion. I feel sorry for that family who was injuried In a car accident & walmart Is suing & the poor woman doesn't even know what Is going on.

All walmart cares about Is money.

You know, I worked at Wal-Mart a long time ago. I know what their practices are and how they are so averse to spending money on anything that doesn't work. Now, YES I AM GOING TO COMPARE WAL-MART TO COSTCO! I recently moved and I was near a Wal-Mart. Now I'm near a Costco. I live in Canada and I've been a member of Costco since back in the day it was called Price Club. If you're going to try to tell me that paying $55CAD a YEAR to get better deals than Wal-Mart can give makes it a different animal, I'll agree with you but only for the following reasons.

1. Costco treats their employees like gold and actually PAYS THEM WELL!
2. If you have a problem with anything at Costco, the employees go out of their way to help you.
3. You pay $55CAD per year.
4. Costco sells in bulk, Wal-Mart sells crap.

Anyone who tries to take a shot at Costco in defence of Wal-Mart probably is a Wal-Mart operative. I can't tell you how happy I am to be near a Costco now so that I don't have to deal with Wal-Mart's BS concerning their faulty security systems, products that fall apart and other myriad things like employees that are treated so badly that they just don't give a d**n about anything. You know, I don't feel all that bad most of the time when I'm at Wal-Mart because I know these are the most degraded, dumped-on employees in North America. Costco and Wal-Mart are 2 sides of the same coin. Discount superstores that allow you to buy for less. I can honestly say that in dealing with Costco for about 12 years, I have no issues whatsoever with them. I'm very sorry but I'm much happier buying EVERYTHING I can at Costco (that I need of course) over any other retailer you can name. For some reason, when I walk out of Costco, I don't feel dirty. I can't say that about most other retailers.

Earlier you mentioned probable cause and that it was extremely unreasonable for a company to check for stolen goods with a 40% chance. I just wanted to point out that in probabilities 40% is a massive number to deal with in predicting an outcome. Two different scenarios can be posted, one positive and one negative, to illustrate how a normal, rational person would think with sound reasoning.

1. If you are told that you have a 40% chance to win a Mega Lottery Jackpot of over $200 million dollars, would you take that chance, or is it inprobable because it is less than 50%?

2. You are told that you have a 40% chance of having a genetic disease that will kill you in an agonizing way by the time your 45 years old but can be cured and prevented if found early enough. You are now 20 years old, do you take the test, or do you throw caution to the wind and ignore your doctor's advice because it isnt "probable?"

40% is more than enough for probable cause, especially when dealing with a human element because all thieves do not wear ski masks and carry guns, some are just average looking citizens. 5% is probable when dealing with people an it is the duty of the employee to look after their company's best interests, after all whose name is written on their paychecks, it's not you it's Walmart, and I would gladly check anyone's bag if it meant that it would keep food on my family's table. 30 sec MAXIMUM inconvenience vs hours of bickering with people who would much rather focus on other elements of their job than taking the time to deal with an irrate customer.

If anything I said is illogical or incorrect, keep one thing in mind, attack the statement, not the person, it does no good for anyone to start throwing around names and insults. It is the first sign of getting backed into a corner in an argument. Hope for some responses.

I ALWAYS make it a point to leave the receipt in my hand whenever I finish shopping at Wal-Mart, or pretty much any retailer that has sensors at the exit doors...especially if I buy DVD's, electronics, over the counter medicines, or anything that has a "security device attached". I would rather show the receipt to a greeter and have my purchase's security devices deactivated rather than give them a hard time. I know that some people can be arrogant or bullheaded about this simple procedure, because they are offended by "the principle" of the matter, but I am the type of person who would rather comply than make a scene. Don't take it as an insult if your purchases "beep" when you take your cart past the sensors at the exit...it's just a simple matter of having the receipt checked and the item or items' security devices deactivated. Why risk jail or court time by confrontations?

...the Merchant Agreements all require that only the signature of the purchaser match the signature on the card. They are explicitly instructed not to check an actual ID. Only the card signature and the receipt signature.

Many people go so far as to write 'See ID' or 'Check ID' on their credit cards. Well, guess what? That credit card is not valid without an authorizing signature. Says so right on the card. Go ahead and check your cards right by the signature block. I did mine, and every single one says 'Authorized Signature - Not Valid Unless Signed'. 'Check ID' is not an authorized signature.

About the self checkouts. The machine is saying that the clerk needs to see your credit card, NOT your ID, as they must verify the signature on the card with that of the receipt (per the Merchant Agreement). If the machine is saying they need to see a photo ID, that is a violation of their merchant agreements. And yes, I have seen many merchant agreements, and they are all the same on this point.

As far as checking receipts. That is a Wal-Mart policy, not the law. By requiring you to stop for a receipt check (notice I said 'requiring', not simply asking to see the receipt), they are violating your rights and can be sued for wrongful detention. They can ask for your receipt all they want, but you are not required to show it. In order to be detained at all, it MUST be by LP, and they must have sufficient evidence to prove you were shoplifting. The alarm going off is NOT probable cause for shoplifting, nor can the door greeter detain you if it goes off. Again, any stops must be by LP. All others are illegal detention.

And this is for Optimus Prime. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted on ROR. ALL anti-theft tags can be deactivated by the cashier as they are never so far buried in the packaging that the pad can't deactivate them. It's the cashiers that don't know how to do their job that's the problem. And no, it's not up to me to be inconveineced with Wal-Mart training and tracking. A cashier's incompetence should not affect me.

Pat - not a Wal-Mart lemming

"WalMart routinely and blatantly violates their merchant agreements with credit card companies as well. They are expressly and explicitly forbidden to require IDs for credit card purchases. Yet they do it EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY. In complete defiance of their merchant agrements."

This is only because the merchant doesn't care about their customers either. I throw a fit if they don't ask for my ID. Why? Because if they don't and someone has stolen my card, do you have any idea how hard it is to prove to your credit card company that you didn't make those charges? I would rather they see my ID to know I am the rightful owner of that card so I don't ahve to go through the hassel with my credit card company. Just like I'd rather show my receipt and prove I'm innocent then waist my family's time on some stupid accusation. I'm all about n ot conforming to what other people want of me but I also know how to pick my battles and fighting with a Wal-Mart employee is not one I'll pick.

"WalMart has no regard for civil rights, laws or contracts that they signed. They do exactly as they like."

Can you prove this? Have you ever actually seen the agreements that Wal-Mart has with it's merchants? Somehow I doubt it.

"The core WalMart customer is a below average intelligence, poorly educated, lower income American that lives in the South. This person doesn't know any better, they really believe WalMart is doing a good thing by breaking federal, state and local laws, as well as defying merchant agreements. All in the name of lower prices (questionable)."

Here you are insulting the entire human race. Wal-Mart is a very good after school job for teenagers trying to make a little money to buy that first car that their parents won't because they want to teach their kids responsability. Most of those kids are on honor roll and are top in their class. Wal-Mart is nationwide, not just in the South. Let's not generalize like that.

"I went to a WalMart once, used a self-checkout for 13 bucks, it wouldn't complete the purchase unless I showed ID. I don't really feel comfortable showing my ID and credit card to a below average intelligence individual making $6/hour. I refused to show them, and they refused the sale."

You should see all the cases where customers sues Wal-Mart for not making the person that stole their card show an ID. They loose every time.

"It smells bad, like food poor southerners eat
It's bleak and depressing
The employees are low-paid mental defectives whom life has passed by
Unfortunately, as long as Americans from the south continue breeding, there will be WalMart.
Maybe the US Govt can offer southerners $500 to stop breeding, and this will lead to the end of WalMart"

Again, generalizing the entire human race. Grow up.

china places the tag inside so people can be harrassed and taken to jail for all the wrong reasons
and i bet wal mart knows it too

or they would have done something about it !!!!!
dont that make you wonder!!!
its greed
nothing more

The Walmart that I used to frequent was also into the "power trip" of checking my purchases and making me "feel" like a thief.

I am 100 percent an honest person and objected to my cart being searched before I even made it to the door for an alarm to sound.

The last time they did this I had an argument with the "greeter" that didn't greet me when I entered the store. He wanted to check my receipt before I went out the door because my cart was full. Imagine that.

The most expensive item in my cart was a twenty dollar ride on plastic car for my two year old grandson.

I gave in and let him check my receipt because it was the only way to get out of the store. Meanwhile customers were staring at me, most likely thinking I was getting caught stealing something. It was totally humiliating and embarrassing.

I called the manager to complain when I got home, he said the greeter was doing his job. If that is true then I think they should remove the tag from his shirt that says "greeter" and put "security" on it instead.

He did say he was sorry about the incident after I compained to him quite a bit and told him how humiliated I was and also told him I won't be shopping there anymore.

I intend to avoid all Walmarts in the future, not just this particular store. Now I'm shopping at Target these days for all the things I used to buy at Walmart.

I don't see how Walmart can stay in business for long if they keep alienating their customers like this.

jb

RJ sounds like you have a case of the crazies. There is no Wal-Mart store or should there be a store out there that can keep a Door Greeter employed that openly calls a customer a theft. It is against Wal-Marts policies and procedures.

3 myths that are not true:
1. Can anyone detain a possible shop lifter?
No.
All retailers have these rules to avoid law suits and only authorized Loss Prevention workers are allowed to detain people for probable cause. All stores are equipped with Loss Prevention personnel that can detain and watch probable theft, all other personnel are not permitted to do so.

2. IS the security system enough to accuse theft?
No.
The Electronic Activation System is there to control inventory in the store. It is not grounds for theft and no state can prosecute based on this system for theft. All inventories with senso can be deactivated at any registers and Door Greets is equipped with portable deactivators to deactivate any merchandise that has not been deactivated.

3. It's the store's fault for not checking for ID!
No.
No merchant is liable for credit card theft. It is up to the consumer to report theft and deactivate their card. Credit card fraud is handled through the credit card company and the consumer only. When you swipe your card (or stolen on) it is not the company's liability unless the cashier swipes it for you. That places the company in liability.

What Wal-Mart does differently for these 3.

1. All Wal-Marts employee a specific number of Loss Prevention to monitor and watch possible shoplifters. Any and everyone can steal and those you think will not steal do. These LP are trained and know what to look for. The Regional LP hand picks each LP in the region. They look like everyday shoppers and even act like it. They will only detain a person when they are 100% sure the person is stealing and once they are trying to leave the store since it is only stealing when a person is trying to leave the premises. Any other personnel that attempts to steal will be put on disciplinary actions up to and including possible termination.

2. The EAS system is inventory control system that is used to monitor merchandise flow in any store. Greeters are to only greet and can ask to verify your receipt at random. Not everyone is asked. If it falsely goes off, the greeters are to record which cashier and item for future training proposes. There is a limit in how often the EAS system can go off and if it goes over the limit, disciplinary actions up to and including possible termination.

3. Wal-Mart does not have to check for IDs do to the merchandise credit card clause. Yes it is a regulation by the cards themselves and not a federal law. Card companies have certain rules they have that stores must follow in order for their services to be used. Wal-Mart likes to protect consumer and made deals with these card holders that they will only carry their cards only if they adhere to their terms. This is actually saving the consumer from fraud since anyone can swipe a card.

It is crazy how RJ's posting turned into patriotism. People who hate something should do what hurts the moststop going there. This is how places go out of business. People talk on how Wal-Mart destroys the Ma & Pa stores, but these are the same people that shop at Wal-Mart. Is RJ a man for making an ordeal out of this situation? No he is a moron that chooses to think he is better than anyone else. He chose to be egoistic and disrupt other people's life with is misconception of his worth to society. For a man of high stature, he sure was not well known in Wal-Mart.

I am not Pro-Wal-Mart, I am pro people and Wal-Mart creates jobs and gives a better since of living for people. I used to work for Wal-Mart for 5 years as an Office worker and seem many stories both good and bad. I quit only pursuing my higher education and would I work for them again? Probably yes. For those that say otherwise, work in retail for a change and learn to see things in another point of view before trying to lecture others.

I have had this happen to me at the Wal-Mart here too. I walked out and the beeper went off and I continued to go to my car and the security gaurd yelled stop in my direction and other people coming out at the same time stopped. He asked for my reciept and the object that I bought was in a bag. He asked if I had something in the bag that was not paid for and I looked at him and laughed. YEA right would the cashier put something in my bag without charging me for it. I don't think so. I gave him my reciept and he made me go back into the store to go thru the beeper again, and guess what the beeper went off again. I left laughing. I never got a apology or thanks from them. I will never shop that store again.
I can say this for sure the other Wal-mart that I have been going to has been very friendly and polite to me. I think it has to do with the area that the store is located in. Consumers can be very rude and nasty also so this door swings both ways.

I have had this happen to me at the Wal-Mart here too. I walked out and the beeper went off and I continued to go to my car and the security gaurd yelled stop in my direction and other people coming out at the same time stopped. He asked for my reciept and the object that I bought was in a bag. He asked if I had something in the bag that was not paid for and I looked at him and laughed. YEA right would the cashier put something in my bag without charging me for it. I don't think so. I gave him my reciept and he made me go back into the store to go thru the beeper again, and guess what the beeper went off again. I left laughing. I never got a apology or thanks from them. I will never shop that store again.
I can say this for sure the other Wal-mart that I have been going to has been very friendly and polite to me. I think it has to do with the area that the store is located in. Consumers can be very rude and nasty also so this door swings both ways.

I have had this happen to me at the Wal-Mart here too. I walked out and the beeper went off and I continued to go to my car and the security gaurd yelled stop in my direction and other people coming out at the same time stopped. He asked for my reciept and the object that I bought was in a bag. He asked if I had something in the bag that was not paid for and I looked at him and laughed. YEA right would the cashier put something in my bag without charging me for it. I don't think so. I gave him my reciept and he made me go back into the store to go thru the beeper again, and guess what the beeper went off again. I left laughing. I never got a apology or thanks from them. I will never shop that store again.
I can say this for sure the other Wal-mart that I have been going to has been very friendly and polite to me. I think it has to do with the area that the store is located in. Consumers can be very rude and nasty also so this door swings both ways.

I have had this happen to me at the Wal-Mart here too. I walked out and the beeper went off and I continued to go to my car and the security gaurd yelled stop in my direction and other people coming out at the same time stopped. He asked for my reciept and the object that I bought was in a bag. He asked if I had something in the bag that was not paid for and I looked at him and laughed. YEA right would the cashier put something in my bag without charging me for it. I don't think so. I gave him my reciept and he made me go back into the store to go thru the beeper again, and guess what the beeper went off again. I left laughing. I never got a apology or thanks from them. I will never shop that store again.
I can say this for sure the other Wal-mart that I have been going to has been very friendly and polite to me. I think it has to do with the area that the store is located in. Consumers can be very rude and nasty also so this door swings both ways.

I like the 'We got you, you shoplifting cad! Three Walmart cheers for JP!' part

WalMart routinely and blatantly violates their merchant agreements with credit card companies as well. They are expressly and explicitly forbidden to require IDs for credit card purchases. Yet they do it EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY. In complete defiance of their merchant agrements.

WalMart has no regard for civil rights, laws or contracts that they signed. They do exactly as they like.

The core WalMart customer is a below average intelligence, poorly educated, lower income American that lives in the South. This person doesn't know any better, they really believe WalMart is doing a good thing by breaking federal, state and local laws, as well as defying merchant agreements. All in the name of lower prices (questionable).

I went to a WalMart once, used a self-checkout for 13 bucks, it wouldn't complete the purchase unless I showed ID. I don't really feel comfortable showing my ID and credit card to a below average intelligence individual making $6/hour. I refused to show them, and they refused the sale.

I never went to WalMart again.

It smells bad, like food poor southerners eat
It's bleak and depressing
The employees are low-paid mental defectives whom life has passed by

Unfortunately, as long as Americans from the south continue breeding, there will be WalMart.

Maybe the US Govt can offer southerners $500 to stop breeding, and this will lead to the end of WalMart

WalMart routinely and blatantly violates their merchant agreements with credit card companies as well. They are expressly and explicitly forbidden to require IDs for credit card purchases. Yet they do it EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY. In complete defiance of their merchant agrements.

WalMart has no regard for civil rights, laws or contracts that they signed. They do exactly as they like.

The core WalMart customer is a below average intelligence, poorly educated, lower income American that lives in the South. This person doesn't know any better, they really believe WalMart is doing a good thing by breaking federal, state and local laws, as well as defying merchant agreements. All in the name of lower prices (questionable).

I went to a WalMart once, used a self-checkout for 13 bucks, it wouldn't complete the purchase unless I showed ID. I don't really feel comfortable showing my ID and credit card to a below average intelligence individual making $6/hour. I refused to show them, and they refused the sale.

I never went to WalMart again.

It smells bad, like food poor southerners eat
It's bleak and depressing
The employees are low-paid mental defectives whom life has passed by

Unfortunately, as long as Americans from the south continue breeding, there will be WalMart.

Maybe the US Govt can offer southerners $500 to stop breeding, and this will lead to the end of WalMart

WalMart routinely and blatantly violates their merchant agreements with credit card companies as well. They are expressly and explicitly forbidden to require IDs for credit card purchases. Yet they do it EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY. In complete defiance of their merchant agrements.

WalMart has no regard for civil rights, laws or contracts that they signed. They do exactly as they like.

The core WalMart customer is a below average intelligence, poorly educated, lower income American that lives in the South. This person doesn't know any better, they really believe WalMart is doing a good thing by breaking federal, state and local laws, as well as defying merchant agreements. All in the name of lower prices (questionable).

I went to a WalMart once, used a self-checkout for 13 bucks, it wouldn't complete the purchase unless I showed ID. I don't really feel comfortable showing my ID and credit card to a below average intelligence individual making $6/hour. I refused to show them, and they refused the sale.

I never went to WalMart again.

It smells bad, like food poor southerners eat
It's bleak and depressing
The employees are low-paid mental defectives whom life has passed by

Unfortunately, as long as Americans from the south continue breeding, there will be WalMart.

Maybe the US Govt can offer southerners $500 to stop breeding, and this will lead to the end of WalMart

WalMart routinely and blatantly violates their merchant agreements with credit card companies as well. They are expressly and explicitly forbidden to require IDs for credit card purchases. Yet they do it EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY. In complete defiance of their merchant agrements.

WalMart has no regard for civil rights, laws or contracts that they signed. They do exactly as they like.

The core WalMart customer is a below average intelligence, poorly educated, lower income American that lives in the South. This person doesn't know any better, they really believe WalMart is doing a good thing by breaking federal, state and local laws, as well as defying merchant agreements. All in the name of lower prices (questionable).

I went to a WalMart once, used a self-checkout for 13 bucks, it wouldn't complete the purchase unless I showed ID. I don't really feel comfortable showing my ID and credit card to a below average intelligence individual making $6/hour. I refused to show them, and they refused the sale.

I never went to WalMart again.

It smells bad, like food poor southerners eat
It's bleak and depressing
The employees are low-paid mental defectives whom life has passed by

Unfortunately, as long as Americans from the south continue breeding, there will be WalMart.

Maybe the US Govt can offer southerners $500 to stop breeding, and this will lead to the end of WalMart

It never ceases to amaze me how often the public is willing to bend over and take it up the pipe from anyone who believes they have the right to thrust. Have the events of 9/11 relieved you all of your constitutional rights? For God's sake, stop marching like ducks in a row just because Bush and his corrupt Justice Department ask you to.

Steve hits the nail on the head with his analysis and interpretation of the law. Once that item has been scanned, paid for, and allowed to leave the register by an employee of the store, your legal obligation to provide ANY proof of purchase to said store is ZERO. Once that item has been paid for, it no longer belongs to the store...it belongs to ME. Ergo, the store has no legal claim to request proof of purchase.

Now, if the store believes that the consumer has stolen an item, it can contact law enforcement. It can follow the consumer to his/her automobile and write down the vehicle description and/or license plate number. It can press charges for theft. However, once the store presses charges for theft without sufficient proof that the item was stolen (i.e. a videotape or witness to the theft), and the consumer DOES have proof of purchase for the item in question, then the retailer has just opened itself up for a lawsuit based on that fact. Most judges and juries are FAR more sympathetic to the viewpoint of a consumer than a money-grubbing, Stalinist sack of testicles like Wal-Mart - so my money would be on the consumer in an instance like this.

Regarding the rent-a-cop, plastic badge wearing pukes passing themselves off as security, I am 100% with Steve on this as well. If you DARE attempt to apprehend me as though you are actual law enforcement, you will eat the ground in the blink of an eye...or worse. Most of the time I shop with my family. Any physical confrontation, however subtle it may be, will be viewed by me as an attempt to physically, financially, or fatally harm me and/or my family. In the eyes of the law, I have every right to plant you six feet under the dirt - and I will...Guaranteed.

Wow. What an arrogant individual you are.
It's a shame that you have such a "high profile" position, but still succumb to supporting the international travesty known as WalMart.
It's also somewhat pathetic how you've let such a small incident bother you to such a large degree (comparing your plight to Rosa Parks? PLEASE.)

People, WalMart's got bigger problems than stopping you at the door to ensure you're not ripping off their merchandise. Sweatshop labour, misguided dealings, severe undercutting...there's bigger fish to fry here. Maybe if you were the family of the severly disabled woman who couldn't get her insurance money from WalMart, I'd feel for you.

But you're not.
You're a self-important, "high profile" snob who feels he is too good to produce a simple receipt.

I sure hope nobody steps on your toes by doing something as offensive as sneezing at an inappropriate time, or asking you to drive up to the next window when you buy your Big Macs.

Sheesh. WalMart is a lot of things - but a n**i-run gestapo isn't one of them.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to just show your receipt? I know it sucks and I've done a few times myself, but its better than going to jail or getting beat up because I have an inflated sense of self.

It really has nothing to do with compliance either. If you walked out of Wal-Mart and they wanted to strip search you or pat you down then by all means ignore them and walk away. Unfortunately the anti-theft device went off and you walked away like you stole something. You gave them every indication that you were guilty and everyone that saw you walking out thought the same thing whether you were or not. Thus throwing out your need to not ruin your reputation and your career.

Also I highly doubt the manager said credit cards set those things off. Maybe twenty years ago I'd believe that, but since almost everyone has a credit card or debit card they seems unlikely and if you believe that to be fact I feel sorry for you.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to just show your receipt? I know it sucks and I've done a few times myself, but its better than going to jail or getting beat up because I have an inflated sense of self.

It really has nothing to do with compliance either. If you walked out of Wal-Mart and they wanted to strip search you or pat you down then by all means ignore them and walk away. Unfortunately the anti-theft device went off and you walked away like you stole something. You gave them every indication that you were guilty and everyone that saw you walking out thought the same thing whether you were or not. Thus throwing out your need to not ruin your reputation and your career.

Also I highly doubt the manager said credit cards set those things off. Maybe twenty years ago I'd believe that, but since almost everyone has a credit card or debit card they seems unlikely and if you believe that to be fact I feel sorry for you.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to just show your receipt? I know it sucks and I've done a few times myself, but its better than going to jail or getting beat up because I have an inflated sense of self.

It really has nothing to do with compliance either. If you walked out of Wal-Mart and they wanted to strip search you or pat you down then by all means ignore them and walk away. Unfortunately the anti-theft device went off and you walked away like you stole something. You gave them every indication that you were guilty and everyone that saw you walking out thought the same thing whether you were or not. Thus throwing out your need to not ruin your reputation and your career.

Also I highly doubt the manager said credit cards set those things off. Maybe twenty years ago I'd believe that, but since almost everyone has a credit card or debit card they seems unlikely and if you believe that to be fact I feel sorry for you.

RJ you said
"Let's suppose that you observe a car driving ahead of you. The car is weaving a bit and crossed the yellow line on two occasions. Would it be correct to assume the driver is intoxicated? The only answer is no. In this example, what conclusion can be made? Only one conclusion can be made. The driver operated his vehicle left of the center line. There are countless reasons that the driver is causing the car to move in the manner it is but no conclusions."

So the police officer just assumes that the driver is not drunk and let's them go. Five minutes later the same cop gets called to a accident. That driver, previously assumed to not be drunk, has hit and killed a child walking down the sidewalk. Driver was tested and was, infact, found to be intoxicated. What now? That child is dead because that police officer took your advise and just assumed the driver was weaving because of the wind. Do not misunderstand me. I do not wish bad things upon anyone, but assume that man hit and killed your child because that cop assumed he wasn't drunk per your advise. You would besueing that cop so fast your head would spin because he didn't take any preventative measures to keep that tragedy from happening. Same deal here.

Yes, you paid for your items, but the greeter did not see you pay for those items. Yes, the security machine in faulty, we all know that, but what about when it does work? Short of announcing your name and every item you purchased over the intercom for everyone to hear, how does the greeter know when the machine works and doesn't and that you actaully did purchase what you have? How about this, how about for every person that walks in the store, someone will have to escort them? At least you wouldn't have to be chased down the parking lot because the escort will not only know that everything you have you bought but they'll also know of everything you bought.

Talk about invasion of privacy. Yes, they need to fix those security sensors but imagine if they didn't have them. Wal-mart would charge more than what they so. You get your purchases cheap because of their efforts to stop theft. If they didn't have the system and more thieves got away, you would be paying out you @$$ in that store. Let's try this. If you owned that Wal-Mart, how would you catch a thief 100% of the time while never accusing innocent people?

No matter where I live, if a alarm goes off, its possible a person didnt pay for the item. The fact that the alarm often goes off on legit purchases is besides the point.


By refusing to show his receit ...this person made himself seem guility.
Simple matter to have receit in full view till you are out of the building.

In most states that I have been, any business would be in the right to insist on a receit with or without an alarm.

On the above that a alarm is not sufficent, you are right, however the alarm gives a employee sufficent cause to suspect theft, and therefor stop a person.
And that is all 50 states.

The customer here is the ripoff artist not Walmart.

Its funny, I personally dislike Walmart because in reality you dont really save if u only shop walmart... I save $3000 a year by making Walmart my final stop.

Nearly 75% of the time I find better prices or quality elsewhere.

SDW,

It is the responsibility of the cashier to look inside any item that another item can be concealed in.

As far as the law goes, once I pass that checkout register, I am not legally required to show a reciept to anyone. I was "checked out" by the cashier.

I pay for my purchases with a debit card, therefore, my reciept goes in my wallet for safekeeping at the register, and does not come out for anyone until I get home.

That is MY procedure and I don't care what wannabe LP puke doesn't like it.
Too bad. So sad.get a life and a real job.

The whole point of this thread was a store employee doing a forcible stop to check a reciept at the door. I'm still waiting on that fool to approach me. As soon as they touch me, I can respond with force, up to and including deadly force if needed.

And I will. Without hesitation.

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Submitted: 7/2/2008 10:48:58 PM
Modified: 7/2/2008 11:09:52 PM Sdw
Justin, Texas
U.S.A.

Oh Please!
You could have avoided the entire thing. If you thought your item was going to set off the alarm, why not just have the dang receipt out and ready. You did more damage to your reputation by not stopping. An inocent person has no reason to run.

I bet you are one of the first people to whine when prices go up too. In the last few months, just on my shift, we've found $3,000 worth of DVDs stuffed in a box with a car seat, $2,000 worth of baseball equipment shoved in an aquarium, and hundreds of dollars worth of smaller things hidden in boxes with other items. Guess who gets to pay for what we don't catch. That's right, you do.

Seems to me showing a receipt is a small price to pay, if it keeps the prices of the things we need down.


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You could have avoided the entire thing. If you thought your item was going to set off the alarm, why not just have the dang receipt out and ready. You did more damage to your reputation by not stopping. An inocent person has no reason to run.

I bet you are one of the first people to whine when prices go up too. In the last few months, just on my shift, we've found $3,000 worth of DVDs stuffed in a box with a car seat, $2,000 worth of baseball equipment shoved in an aquarium, and hundreds of dollars worth of smaller things hidden in boxes with other items. Guess who gets to pay for what we don't catch. That's right, you do.

Seems to me showing a receipt is a small price to pay, if it keeps the prices of the things we need down.

i worked at walmart everytime that thing goes off they record it and the cashier gets in trouble. thats how they do it in montana, and when i worked there i told every costumer with something like a dvd player that won't fully go over the desensatizer that hey stop by the door because it might go off so they wouldn't be humiliated. So u got the crappy end on the stick on that one because every chashier knows that you won't desensatize all of the censors on the box its simply to big.

I hate walmart! Leaving the store and making exchanges hinge on having a receipt, yet they tried to force me to leave the store without a receipt!!

The other day I made the mistake of going to walmart. I went to pick up a cheap duffel bag for a camping trip, then grabbed a few other household items (toilet paper, detergent, etc.). Because I only had a few items, I went to the self-checkout lane. I scanned my items and bagged them, except for the duffel bag, because it was in a box that was too big for the bags. I paid my bill and then no receipt came out.

I tried to find the employee that monitors the self checkout, but she was busy helping somebody else. I tried to interrupt her to let her know my receipt didn't print. She told me to wait my turn. While waiting, a walmart employee on break tried to scan an item. I asked him to wait since my receipt didn't come out. He literally pushed me aside and scanned his item. When the other employee came to help with my receipt, she YELLED at me for letting somebody else scan an item!!!!

Since I wasn't sure if I was going to keep the duffel (wasn't positive it was long enough for some equipment), I wasn't about to leave the store without a receipt. At this point, I hadn't stepped more than 3 feet from the register. The clerk told me to leave without the receipt. I refused. She said she would call security if I didn't leave. I told her to go ahead and call them. Then she called her manager, who opened the register box, and pulled out a crumpled, jammed receipt with all the printing on top of each other so you couldn't read it.

They shoved that "receipt" at me and told me that now that I had my receipt to get out of the store. Since it was illegible, I refused to leave. At this point, I stated that I wanted to return all of my purchases (still hadn't left the check out area). The manager walked me to customer service and told them to give me a refund. Guess what. They wanted my receipt!!!

I gave them my illegible receipt and they said that since they couldn't read it, they wouldn't refund my money!!!!!!!!!!! I told them that it was their equipment failure that ruined my receipt, that I hadn't even left the store, and that I wanted my money back. And even though the register manager walked me over and explained the situation, the customer service desk refused to give me a refund because I didn't have a receipt that showed all the purchases! Then she had the audacity to accuse me of trying to steal. I asked for another manager, who insisted that it was their policy that if you don't have a receipt, you can't get a refund.

After about 40 minutes of trying to get out of their circular logic (or lack thereof) they finally called security on me. After being "voluntarily detained" they reviewed the security tapes that clearly showed me scanning all items, and entering a credit card. They checked their records and decided that indeed, I did pay for all items.

After 1.5 hours, I finally got a full refund of the items and left the store empty handed. I will NEVER be back.

Well, I just stumbled upon this website and found this report. this might be a little of topic but I feel I should state this as it in so ways as to do with the report. I worked at walmart for 1 year (and it wasn't pretty!) RJ, while I was working there they decided to enforce a new policy. Well, basically they said that EVERY employee was to have his/her bags/ purse checked before leaving the store. Even if they beeper didn't go off. Now, I would like to know what the "probable cause" was. Oh and once when I went in to shop on my day off, as I was leaving the greeter tryed to stop me and tell me that since I work there they had to check my bags. I just laughed in her face and told her NO you are not going to look in my bags it's my day off! She looked pretty pissed but you know what, I felt like I was a theif! I shouldn't have to feel like that just because I work there. I am a honest person and this "policy" to me was just wrong.

Maybe they should all move their Checkout Registers out to the curbside, and thus eliminate the need for Gatetenders. They could open the stores only on sunny days.

Uncooperative, yes
Disruptive of other shoppers, yes
Childish, yes
s****.> Petulant, yes
Defensive about honesty and honor, yes

"Possession is 9/10 of The Law", [but not 100%]. That's what the "Proof of Purchase" document is for, just as in a Warranty or Return situation.
Personally I am a little proud to show that I paid for what I consume, it keeps the value up, clears the air and moves the traffic, especially in a big-box self-serve store.

Look a little wider, please. If another customer, say "Jr" not "Rj", pulls a similar stunt you can bet his conspirator will sneak out with a whole cartload during the fracas. Personally, again, I do not wish to pay the cost of having 3, 4, or 5 gatekeepers at each exit 3 shifts to deal with hassling customers nor with conspiring thieves. Much rather have more assistance in the aisles. Keep it moving.

Rj: "cognoscente" or "sea lawyer"? You all decide...

Wheew - never thought I'd get through your post. While it was entertaning in parts, your sarcasm is a huge turn off and as I have to assume, a big part of your entire personality which lead you to go looking for this fight. That, and Im thinking you have a need to impress and belittle others with all your "vast" knowledge and perhaps intimidate folks a bit? (ie the way you speak about "Tony", the security system, the manager, Walmart, etc)

Now, if a security beeper goes off, and a customer is exiting a store with merchandise (electronics at that) he/she refuses to stop and is making their way to their vehicle (you are the one who reported he called out to you many, many times) what in the world do you expect? If someone has paid for their merchandise, they hand over a receipt for a quick review, then go about their day. But you have to make a scene because, well, you're "tired" of it.

Who do you think you are? You're a bully who would have been furious had that beeper not gone off that day so that he could make a scene.
Kudos to Tony and that Walmart store. Hopefully they'll never have to deal the likes of you again. Systems have quirks, get over it or don't leave home.

I have twelve years Loss Prevention experience, part of which was with Wal-Mart. I tell you that no prosecutor will take a case based soley on an EAS activation. It is also not true that the EAS tags inside packages can't be deactivated through packaging. The only thing that causes a tag to be live if the item was paid for was either the cashier is lazy or the deactivator is broke. Wal-Mart and every other retailer requires that their Loss Prevention to have certian elements to prove the crime. They must see you enter the area, select the merchandise, conceal or otherwise prove intent to steal, must keep uninterupted visual surevillance of the person, and wait for them to pass all points of sale. If you know they don't have them and they stop you and you didn't steal or give the impression you were trying to steal sue them. I will warn you though if you give the impression you were trying to steal the judge will throw your case out and in some states as soon as you conceal the merchandise you can be arrested for shoplifting. So don't mess with LP, but if you are not stealing don't be bullyed by them either. As far as I know in no state is EAS probable cause for a shoplifting stop.

I was not in the arguement between edgman & steve I simply made a comment to steve, I was also tired of them aruging back & forth so don't include me in there fight.

Them darn doors work by magnetism. When you go to check out why does it say no credit cards? It strips away magnetism which is how the alarms and credit card readers work. They never put them on the outside cause the "shoplifter" could remove them. I work for a company that doesnt use them and thank god.

Edgeman, Patrick, Steve, Charles - Why don't you all just STFU about "Who said this" and "Who implied that" and "What you meant"?? You have dragged this discussion way off topic, and I am getting sick of reading the same garbage in every post. Contribute to the discussion, or don't post.

RJ - I agree with your logic, and admire your self-control in a situation that could have easily escalated to assault charges for you (I know I would have trouble trying to control the urge to punch "poor Tony" in the nose), or some good-Samaritan trying to save Wal-Mart's profit margin.

Have you had any luck with your attempts to "sue the Walmart empire"??

If you are a real man, then shop where a real man shops and pay a few cents more and stay out of Wally World. I do and I am a very happy person for it.

If you are a real man, then shop where a real man shops and pay a few cents more and stay out of Wally World. I do and I am a very happy person for it.

If you are a real man, then shop where a real man shops and pay a few cents more and stay out of Wally World. I do and I am a very happy person for it.

If you are a real man, then shop where a real man shops and pay a few cents more and stay out of Wally World. I do and I am a very happy person for it.

I myself worked in retail (a big box like Wal-Mart) for over 4 years and learned quite a bit about retail theft. Just a sampling of the things I witnessed or heard:

-DVD's and video games could be opened with a razor blade across the top, the disc removed and the package discarded. Usually you could find a stash of empty packages in areas where theft was least likely to occur (furniture for example), thus no need for cameras. On that same note, who needs to buy products stored on a magnetically-locked peg when all you need is a razor blade and quick hands?
-One customer showed me how you could break-in to the locked video game cabinets. Needless to say, this came in very handy when our keys would get misplaced.
-Speaking of keys, ours were easily accessible to any employee...or anyone who happens to be around when they learn where the keys are stored. We lost about 20 iPods this way, and corporate's solution was to stop giving us iPods for a while...which doesn't help when you advertise a 30%-off iPod coupon around Christmas time and you have no stock.
-Our store installed security sensors when I first started to work there, and they didn't work right. The store waited over a year and a half to get them fixed. Every time they went off, the customer was just waived through. Nowadays they work, but half the time there are no greeters at the doors...which helps people who run out the door with a 32' flat screen TV and jumps into a waiting truck.
-Our store detectives (when our store would actually schedule them), sometimes didn't care. One guy I knew would always say it was a waste of his time to go through the security camera tape and that he wouldn't do it. Nor could you call the detectives and report theft...it had to be witnessed by them in order for them to do anything about it.

Believable? Maybe not. True? Absolutely. The point? While Tony was trying to chase down and verbally assault you for items that YOU PAID for, hundreds of dollars of merchandise could've been walking through his unmanned post. I would have thought that by you standing up to Tony that would've shown him you had nothing to hide, but I guess not. Just goes to show you that Wal-Mart and the other big-boxes are willing to ruin someone's reputation over a few dollars of profit rather than looking at the big picture of retail theft and stopping it at its source. Then again, a "quick fix" puts more money in the pockets of CEO's and shareholders.

I don't see why this is so difficult.

Patrick wrote:

'To me (and everyone else reading this report), that is a correlation between COSTCO and Wal-Mart.'

I don't think that "everyone" who has read this report has chimed in with their interpretation and even if they ALL agreed with you, so what? A lot of people claim that they have seen Elvis. That doesn't mean that they are right. (By the way, that is not a correlation between WalMart and Elvis.)

Patrick wrote:

'Why would you even bother asking the question then? Just for curiosities sake?'

I already wrote why I asked that. I was just trying to see where Rj was coming from.

I don't think so, and you proved it in your post on 4/6/08 when you said: 'Just sifting through the rebuttals I came away with the feeling that a lot of people were projecting their own opinions on to you. From what I understand, you don't have a problem with the concept of a door checker.

Yes, that supports my claim.

Patrick wrote:

'OK, so what do you mean by 'the concept of a door checker' (see, I CAN use your words)? By 'door checker', I assume you mean the person at the exit of COSTCO that checks your receipt on the way out of the store. This person has one job, and one job only; to check the receipt of EVERY SINGLE SHOPPER leaving the store. As members of the shopping club, we agreed to these checks when we signed up for the membership. Also notice that there are distinctly separate entrances and exits at COSTCO and Sam's.'

Actually, the door checkers at Costco have other jobs but that is beside the point. There are also distinct differences between the entrances and exits at the WalMarts around here. The doors even have little signs on them that say "Entrance" and "Exit". That is also beside the point but since you broguht it up...

Patrick:

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Now, Wal-Mart does not have 'door checkers', they have Door Greeters. Their primary job is to greet customers as they enter the store, provide shopping carts, and sticker merchandise being brought back to the Customer Service Desk. They are also trained to ask to see a receipt for any unbagged merchandise leaving the store (it's OK if they ask, but they cannot demand to see it or attempt to detain you), and to check receipts when the alarm sounds. The laws of most states are unclear as to whether or not the DG has the authority to stop or detain you if you set off the alarm.'

Correct. The OP doesn't seem to mind door checkers themselves but in this situation that involved a questionable security system and multiple stops to prove that he paid for his items, he chose not to stop for an overzealous employee who acted in the capacity of a door checker. I never said that the OP was right or wrong. I never said that the OP should or should not have stopped. I encouuraged him to proceed with a lawsuit . I never said that if he stops for the people at Costco then he should stop for the people at WalMart. You are free to interpret it that way if you want to but do not add your words to my post and do not act like you know what my intentions were.

Edgeman,

I did read your post. And all the others as well, including your first one. So let's follow your timeline here.

On 3/28/08 your first post included the following: 'Out of curiosity, do you shop at Costco? Every shopper has their receipts checked, at least at my local branch.'

OK, first you bring up the name COSTCO. Then you go on to state that they check the receipts of every shopper there. This entire report is about Wal-Mart checking RJs receipt on his way out the doors. To me (and everyone else reading this report), that is a correlation between COSTCO and Wal-Mart.

Then on 4/1/08 you said: 'I did ask if the OP ever shopped at Costco. That is in no way a comparison between the two businesses. I was just curious.'

Why would you even bother asking the question then? Just for curiosities sake? I don't think so, and you proved it in your post on 4/6/08 when you said: 'Just sifting through the rebuttals I came away with the feeling that a lot of people were projecting their own opinions on to you. From what I understand, you don't have a problem with the concept of a door checker.'

OK, so what do you mean by 'the concept of a door checker' (see, I CAN use your words)? By 'door checker', I assume you mean the person at the exit of COSTCO that checks your receipt on the way out of the store. This person has one job, and one job only; to check the receipt of EVERY SINGLE SHOPPER leaving the store. As members of the shopping club, we agreed to these checks when we signed up for the membership. Also notice that there are distinctly separate entrances and exits at COSTCO and Sam's.

Now, Wal-Mart does not have 'door checkers', they have Door Greeters. Their primary job is to greet customers as they enter the store, provide shopping carts, and sticker merchandise being brought back to the Customer Service Desk. They are also trained to ask to see a receipt for any unbagged merchandise leaving the store (it's OK if they ask, but they cannot demand to see it or attempt to detain you), and to check receipts when the alarm sounds. The laws of most states are unclear as to whether or not the DG has the authority to stop or detain you if you set off the alarm.

OK, so back to your first post, and your post after RJs response to your question. What then does 'the concept of a door checker' have to do with RJs report? The only logical conclusion is that you wanted to find out if he had a problem with the COSTCO door checker checking his receipt every time he exited the store. And if not, why did he have a problem with the Wal-Mart door greeter. It's quite clear to everyone reading this report that you were trying to compare the two situations, when in fact there is no way to compare the two. You got called out and are now trying to cover your tracks. Nice try.

What Patrick wrote:

'OK, there is only ONE correlation that can be made between your first and last statements. You were fishing to see if RJ shopped at COSTCO and/or Sam's Club. And if he said yes, then your point is that he 'accepts the concept' of having his receipt checked at the door, and therefore should accept that practice at other shopping establishments (such as Wal-Mart) as well.'

That is absolutely NOT what I wrote. Don't believe me? Check my post right above his.

I wrote that it seems Rj didn't have a problem with door checkers, only that he didn't feel he needed to stop in this particular instance. I never said what Rj should or should not accept. I offered no judgement on him. You are making too much out of this and your correlation is wrong.

What I wrote is in plain sight. Do not add your words to my post.

Edgeman,

It's funny, but your last response just proved Steve correct in his assessment of your previous statements. In your last response you said:

'From what I understand, you don't have a problem with the concept of a door checker.'

OK, there is only ONE correlation that can be made between your first and last statements. You were fishing to see if RJ shopped at COSTCO and/or Sam's Club. And if he said yes, then your point is that he 'accepts the concept' of having his receipt checked at the door, and therefore should accept that practice at other shopping establishments (such as Wal-Mart) as well.

But of course, the one BIG DIFFERENCE here is that at Sam's and COSTCO, you have to sign up for a membership that states you WILL have your receipt checked at the exit, and that you accept those terms. If you do not accept those terms, you are not allowed to shop there. Simple as that.

So Steve was right all along, but you had to continue this back and forth until RJ answered your question. Why?

Edgeman,

It's funny, but your last response just proved Steve correct in his assessment of your previous statements. In your last response you said:

'From what I understand, you don't have a problem with the concept of a door checker.'

OK, there is only ONE correlation that can be made between your first and last statements. You were fishing to see if RJ shopped at COSTCO and/or Sam's Club. And if he said yes, then your point is that he 'accepts the concept' of having his receipt checked at the door, and therefore should accept that practice at other shopping establishments (such as Wal-Mart) as well.

But of course, the one BIG DIFFERENCE here is that at Sam's and COSTCO, you have to sign up for a membership that states you WILL have your receipt checked at the exit, and that you accept those terms. If you do not accept those terms, you are not allowed to shop there. Simple as that.

So Steve was right all along, but you had to continue this back and forth until RJ answered your question. Why?

Edgeman,

It's funny, but your last response just proved Steve correct in his assessment of your previous statements. In your last response you said:

'From what I understand, you don't have a problem with the concept of a door checker.'

OK, there is only ONE correlation that can be made between your first and last statements. You were fishing to see if RJ shopped at COSTCO and/or Sam's Club. And if he said yes, then your point is that he 'accepts the concept' of having his receipt checked at the door, and therefore should accept that practice at other shopping establishments (such as Wal-Mart) as well.

But of course, the one BIG DIFFERENCE here is that at Sam's and COSTCO, you have to sign up for a membership that states you WILL have your receipt checked at the exit, and that you accept those terms. If you do not accept those terms, you are not allowed to shop there. Simple as that.

So Steve was right all along, but you had to continue this back and forth until RJ answered your question. Why?

Edgeman,

It's funny, but your last response just proved Steve correct in his assessment of your previous statements. In your last response you said:

'From what I understand, you don't have a problem with the concept of a door checker.'

OK, there is only ONE correlation that can be made between your first and last statements. You were fishing to see if RJ shopped at COSTCO and/or Sam's Club. And if he said yes, then your point is that he 'accepts the concept' of having his receipt checked at the door, and therefore should accept that practice at other shopping establishments (such as Wal-Mart) as well.

But of course, the one BIG DIFFERENCE here is that at Sam's and COSTCO, you have to sign up for a membership that states you WILL have your receipt checked at the exit, and that you accept those terms. If you do not accept those terms, you are not allowed to shop there. Simple as that.

So Steve was right all along, but you had to continue this back and forth until RJ answered your question. Why?

Just sifting through the rebuttals I came away with the feeling that a lot of people were projecting their own opinions on to you. From what I understand, you don't have a problem with the concept of a door checker. You were just tired of their security system always going off and you felt no need to stop and prove yourself to their employee.

For the record, I agree that their employee behaved horribly.

Edgeman,

I have shopped at Costco and regularly shop at Sam's Club. Why do you ask?

RJ

Steve, you are not '100% correct', despite your belief that you are. You claimed that I asked you if you shopped at Costco. That was Rj. You said there was nothing in the original post that I responded to. That is also incorrect. I quoted the line in the original post TWICE.

And I never compared Costco to WalMart. I simply asked the OP if he shopped there. That only happened in your head.

I have seen your posts in other threads here and you seem to give out good advice so I am unclear on why you are clinging to your delusions here.

Charles, I'm not bashing anyone. If you were paying attention, Edgeman was bashing me. Edgeman, started the bashing. But thanks for your two cents anyway.

Enough said.

I'm done here.

Steve you have the problem, I used to listen to your advice until you insulted me in my complaint agaisnt nco.

You called me a 5 year old & you told me the attorney general's office would just laugh @ me thinking I am a 5 year old. I did listen to your advice but when you start cutting other's down like you did me.

I did not listen to anything you had to say anymore. If people spend has much time helping each other besides insulting & bashing each other we could accomplish alot so people will not become, victim's of bad business or bad people.

If you stop insulting or bashing people steve mabye people will take you more serious. I used to listen to your advice but I don't anymore cause all you do is bully people causing them more grief then they are already experincing.

"Edgeman",

I am 100% correct here. You could not keep track of your own conversations, or whom you were talking to. Not my problem.

Now, you are backtracking and changing your tune.

And, FYI.. You DID compare Walmart to Costco. That is a fact. Otherwise, Costco would not have been mentioned in that thread, right? You should look up the definition of "comparison".

I think this is enough on this subject. I am not going to waste Ed's resources on a pissing match.

We are done here. You are not worth anymore of my time, although I am absolutely sure you will see the need to get the last word, as that is what this is all about with you.

You should step back from a third party perspective and see just how ridiculous you sound.

Let me take you through the timeline.

I saw this line at the end of the original post by Rj:

'I found this web site, Ripoff Report, while researching what it takes to sue the Walmart empire.'

I replied that he should pursue the lawsuit, that I would be interested in seeing the outcome and asked if he shopped at Costco.

You somehow got it in your head that I was addressing you. Since you took it upon yourself to respond, I did briefly confuse you with the OP. I should have doublechecked the screennames and I already apologized for that error. In no way was my first post aimed at you.

Since you were responding to my posts towards the OP, I continued the conversation without realizing you were not the OP, only some guy who assumed that I had addressed him. I will apologize once again for that error.

When I realized my error and mentioned it, you refused to even consider the possibility. The truth is, my first post was a response to that one sentence in Rj's post. It had nothing to do with you. If you believe that it was addressed to you, then that is something that is in your head.