Number One Success System Told me I could make up to 500 hundred dollars a day. I sent him 500 hundred to start. Bixby Oklahoma

I appologize for any comments that I made in defence of NOSS. I do believe now that it is a complete and utter SCAM and I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy!!

This is to someone who goes by Nick1down, Ok, so here I am researching gifting programs and in regards to this NOSS, You seem to be the main person trying to shoot down any negative comments left by those this company seems to have scammed. First off, if this is truely about helping people and "Giving Gifts With NO Expectation of Returns" Then How come you dont lay out all the costs up front. All the scamming (oops, Gifting) sites I have run into preach about all this money that can be made but its not untill after youve delt with a high pressure sales call or two and a few conference calls AND turn over your 500 bucks or whatever, that you are finally notified that, oops, you have to pay this for a web site, this for leads, this for training, this for advertising, on top of the 500 bucks you just forked over to some stranger. How come all the costs arent included in your initial depositre of 500.00? And if this were IN FACT about gifts and only gifts and those who fork over there 500.00 or more and not about making money, then how does your business stay afloat. Do you really think that people who are in need of large sums of money are likely to just fork over 500 + dollars for the heck of it? Doubtful. Therefore your company must excite people with profits to keep it afloat therefore making it a scam or pyramid scheme, right? Boy am I ever glad I researched this before getting taken to the cleaners, I just hope others are getting as smart as me.

Be careful in the words you use. You can't receive a gift and they start telling the person who gave you this gift the following:
- "this will be a very viable asset for him in a relatively short period of time"
- "..recoup his investement.." not what you do with a true gift under the IRS rules
- "..business opportunity.."
- "..calling money seekers.." why? to maybe recoup his investment?
- "..pay off for me.." really? So was this a gift you gave, or an investement?


Sounds like he is expecting a return on his $500 gift. Jason states in his report that he was told by NOSS123 that he could make $500 to $3500 a day. Stating that any money could be made based on his gift pretty much changes his gift to an investement, regardless of what contract he signed. (He expects a return on his investment). Jason could easily file a report with the FTC which may start an investigation into your ummm.. business. This could open you up to criminal charges as well as compensation back to all the people who invested, umm.. I mean "gave you a gift without any expectation of a monetary return what-so-ever". Whether you like it or not Steve, you are involved with an illegal pyramid scheme. If you don't really think you are then when the investigators contact you, you can tell them exactly how the NOSS123 system works and let the chips fall where they may. It may be a wise business move to just give Jason his money back so he doesn't stir up trouble with the authorities.

"Did anyone who has persisted in NOSS ever lose any money? Did you lose money?"
-Lose money? How does one lose money when it's a gift without any expectation of a return what-so-ever

"With NOSS everyone gives a Gift without expectation of a promised return what-so-ever. The only way he or she can lose is if they give up."
-Giving a gift without expectation of a promised return and then losing if they give up? This makes no sense! It's a gift you don't win or lose when you give a gift!

"If they break even.."
-Break even? Wait what happend to "without any expectation of a return what-so-ever"?

"Neither NOSS nor any other party benefits what-so-ever in this private gift"
-I would agree with this statement since it falls withing the definition of a gift.. yet then you say..

"The system cannot collapse on them before they realize a benefit"
"I see no way to benefit in NOSS if effort isn't exerted"
-WHAT? Huh! you just contridicted yourself here with these two statements" How do you benefit by giving something when you don't expect any return what-so-ever.

"The only one who loses in NOSS is the one who quits"
Again! How does one lose when they give a gift without any expecation of a return what-so-ever!

"In NOSS you always know where the money is gifting to. What you gifted will always be what is gifted to you. If there is a gift given in your receiving line that you do not qualify for then that goes to your Inviter or the next Inviter that qualifies for it. However, there are only 3 levels to qualify on and you can qualify on all 3 at any time and then all gifts will come directly to you and not Roll Up to your Inviter anymore."

-Strange? I thought "The money is a GIFT between 2 consenting adults in a private manner.". Now you are talking about multiple people in receiving lines?. What happened to the private manner? Sounds like other folks are benefiting here? Oh wait I believe you said "Neither NOSS nor any other party benefits what-so-ever in this private gift"


-"Under the FTC's own rules NOSS does not come under the definitions you state"

This is from the FTC's website..
If you're approached about joining a club but you aren't sure if it's an illegal gifting club, the
Federal Trade Commission (FTC) reminds you to:
1) Consider that a legitimate gift has no strings attached and is not an 'investment.'
2) Avoid being misled into thinking a gifting club is legitimate because the ads say that members
consider their payments a gift and expect nothing in return. This is an attempt to make an illegal
transaction look legal.
3)Be wary of success stories or testimonials of tremendous payoffs. Very few members of illegal
gifting clubs or pyramid schemes ever receive any money.
4) Take your time. Don't buckle under to a high-pressure sales pitch that requires you to join immediately
or risk losing out on the opportunity. Remember, solid opportunities and solid friendships aren't formed through nerve-wracking tactics.

I think it is you who does not understand the concept of a gift. According to the IRS their definition of a gift is the following: "Gifts include money and property, including the use of property without expecting to receive something of equal value in return". The IRS has determined that a participant who joins a "Gifting Scheme" (which NOSS123 is) is expecting a return for their gift (no matter what dubious contract they sign), thus making it an illegal pyramid scheme.

This is from the California Society of Enrolled Agents, which is a professional organization that represents agents licensed by the federal government to represent taxpayers before the Internal Revenue Service.


More Bad News for Gifting Clubs: The IRS Is Watching

The recent arrests of several women in an alleged Sacramento-based pyramid scheme called "Women Helping Women" have shed new light on a very old scam, the "pyramid scheme" that claims to reward investors (or "donors") while actually fleecing them. Not only are such schemes illegal, but the Internal Revenue Service has a nasty surprise for anyone who thinks the payouts are tax-free.

"Some of these 'gifting' organizations claim the money is tax-free, but the IRS considers all income derived from them to be reportable income," says Connie Lorz, EA, President of the California Society of Enrolled Agents. "Of course, for most of those who get involved in these gifting parties, it's a moot point, as they're never going to see any profit or even get their original stake back."

In the Sacramento case, each participant bought a place at the table with an initial pledge of between $625 to $5,000, with the promise of an eventual payout of up to $40,000. Of course, like all pyramid schemes, its success is contingent on the gullibility of its victims and the need to keep reaching new suckers.

Promoters of gifting parties claim that such events are legal and guarantee a return on your gift. Both of those claims are false; in California, Penal Code sections 327 and 484 prohibit endless chain and pyramid schemes. And of course, to move up the pyramid far enough to qualify for the cash payout involves bringing in new people for the level beneath you, and those new people have to bring in new people, and eventually the list of prospective participants invariably runs out, leaving hefty paydays for the perpetrators of the fraud but nothing for the rest.

Proving the adage that there's a sucker born every minute, gifting clubs -- which sometimes call themselves "Women Empowering Women" or "Circle of Friends" -- have spread across the U.S. and into Mexico and Great Britain.

Despite the claims of legality from the clubs' organizers, and despite the dubious contracts members sign stating that the money they "donate" to the club is a gift for which they expect no return, the Internal Revenue Service considers that the participants do indeed expect a return.

"Those individuals who got involved in the scam early and have their piece of dessert are subject to tax evasion charges if they haven't declared their gains," Lorz adds.



Again, Gifting Shemes Are Illegal!!! Just type in Gifting Scheme into a search engine and you will see for youself. Even NOSS had to change their name to try and keep one step ahead of the authorities. I can tell by the way you slam jobs that this isn't your first attempt at trying an MLM. Let me guess.. Quixtar? Pre-Paid Legal? or one of the thousands of other's out there with some sort of brainwashing educational motivational tape system that slams the corporate J.O.B (Just Over Broke), one of my favorites terms :-) I actually do very well in my job making an honest living. I currently make over six figures (started 20 years ago making $19,000) and I provide a usuable product. I work hard, also play hard ;-) , live on way less than I make, invest the rest, and have a very comfortable lifestyle. I'm sure if I had the attitude that you have about jobs, I would be pretty much going nowhere in it. I mean why try when you don't care.

I sleep well at night knowing I'm not involved in something that may bring tax evasion charges. Not my words, but the words of the President of the California Society of Enrolled Agents.

I think it is you who does not understand the concept of a gift. According to the IRS their definition of a gift is the following: "Gifts include money and property, including the use of property without expecting to receive something of equal value in return". The IRS has determined that a participant who joins a "Gifting Scheme" (which NOSS123 is) is expecting a return for their gift (no matter what dubious contract they sign), thus making it an illegal pyramid scheme.

This is from the California Society of Enrolled Agents, which is a professional organization that represents agents licensed by the federal government to represent taxpayers before the Internal Revenue Service.


More Bad News for Gifting Clubs: The IRS Is Watching

The recent arrests of several women in an alleged Sacramento-based pyramid scheme called "Women Helping Women" have shed new light on a very old scam, the "pyramid scheme" that claims to reward investors (or "donors") while actually fleecing them. Not only are such schemes illegal, but the Internal Revenue Service has a nasty surprise for anyone who thinks the payouts are tax-free.

"Some of these 'gifting' organizations claim the money is tax-free, but the IRS considers all income derived from them to be reportable income," says Connie Lorz, EA, President of the California Society of Enrolled Agents. "Of course, for most of those who get involved in these gifting parties, it's a moot point, as they're never going to see any profit or even get their original stake back."

In the Sacramento case, each participant bought a place at the table with an initial pledge of between $625 to $5,000, with the promise of an eventual payout of up to $40,000. Of course, like all pyramid schemes, its success is contingent on the gullibility of its victims and the need to keep reaching new suckers.

Promoters of gifting parties claim that such events are legal and guarantee a return on your gift. Both of those claims are false; in California, Penal Code sections 327 and 484 prohibit endless chain and pyramid schemes. And of course, to move up the pyramid far enough to qualify for the cash payout involves bringing in new people for the level beneath you, and those new people have to bring in new people, and eventually the list of prospective participants invariably runs out, leaving hefty paydays for the perpetrators of the fraud but nothing for the rest.

Proving the adage that there's a sucker born every minute, gifting clubs -- which sometimes call themselves "Women Empowering Women" or "Circle of Friends" -- have spread across the U.S. and into Mexico and Great Britain.

Despite the claims of legality from the clubs' organizers, and despite the dubious contracts members sign stating that the money they "donate" to the club is a gift for which they expect no return, the Internal Revenue Service considers that the participants do indeed expect a return.

"Those individuals who got involved in the scam early and have their piece of dessert are subject to tax evasion charges if they haven't declared their gains," Lorz adds.



Again, Gifting Shemes Are Illegal!!! Just type in Gifting Scheme into a search engine and you will see for youself. Even NOSS had to change their name to try and keep one step ahead of the authorities. I can tell by the way you slam jobs that this isn't your first attempt at trying an MLM. Let me guess.. Quixtar? Pre-Paid Legal? or one of the thousands of other's out there with some sort of brainwashing educational motivational tape system that slams the corporate J.O.B (Just Over Broke), one of my favorites terms :-) I actually do very well in my job making an honest living. I currently make over six figures (started 20 years ago making $19,000) and I provide a usuable product. I work hard, also play hard ;-) , live on way less than I make, invest the rest, and have a very comfortable lifestyle. I'm sure if I had the attitude that you have about jobs, I would be pretty much going nowhere in it. I mean why try when you don't care.

I sleep well at night knowing I'm not involved in something that may bring tax evasion charges. Not my words, but the words of the President of the California Society of Enrolled Agents.

I think it is you who does not understand the concept of a gift. According to the IRS their definition of a gift is the following: "Gifts include money and property, including the use of property without expecting to receive something of equal value in return". The IRS has determined that a participant who joins a "Gifting Scheme" (which NOSS123 is) is expecting a return for their gift (no matter what dubious contract they sign), thus making it an illegal pyramid scheme.

This is from the California Society of Enrolled Agents, which is a professional organization that represents agents licensed by the federal government to represent taxpayers before the Internal Revenue Service.


More Bad News for Gifting Clubs: The IRS Is Watching

The recent arrests of several women in an alleged Sacramento-based pyramid scheme called "Women Helping Women" have shed new light on a very old scam, the "pyramid scheme" that claims to reward investors (or "donors") while actually fleecing them. Not only are such schemes illegal, but the Internal Revenue Service has a nasty surprise for anyone who thinks the payouts are tax-free.

"Some of these 'gifting' organizations claim the money is tax-free, but the IRS considers all income derived from them to be reportable income," says Connie Lorz, EA, President of the California Society of Enrolled Agents. "Of course, for most of those who get involved in these gifting parties, it's a moot point, as they're never going to see any profit or even get their original stake back."

In the Sacramento case, each participant bought a place at the table with an initial pledge of between $625 to $5,000, with the promise of an eventual payout of up to $40,000. Of course, like all pyramid schemes, its success is contingent on the gullibility of its victims and the need to keep reaching new suckers.

Promoters of gifting parties claim that such events are legal and guarantee a return on your gift. Both of those claims are false; in California, Penal Code sections 327 and 484 prohibit endless chain and pyramid schemes. And of course, to move up the pyramid far enough to qualify for the cash payout involves bringing in new people for the level beneath you, and those new people have to bring in new people, and eventually the list of prospective participants invariably runs out, leaving hefty paydays for the perpetrators of the fraud but nothing for the rest.

Proving the adage that there's a sucker born every minute, gifting clubs -- which sometimes call themselves "Women Empowering Women" or "Circle of Friends" -- have spread across the U.S. and into Mexico and Great Britain.

Despite the claims of legality from the clubs' organizers, and despite the dubious contracts members sign stating that the money they "donate" to the club is a gift for which they expect no return, the Internal Revenue Service considers that the participants do indeed expect a return.

"Those individuals who got involved in the scam early and have their piece of dessert are subject to tax evasion charges if they haven't declared their gains," Lorz adds.



Again, Gifting Shemes Are Illegal!!! Just type in Gifting Scheme into a search engine and you will see for youself. Even NOSS had to change their name to try and keep one step ahead of the authorities. I can tell by the way you slam jobs that this isn't your first attempt at trying an MLM. Let me guess.. Quixtar? Pre-Paid Legal? or one of the thousands of other's out there with some sort of brainwashing educational motivational tape system that slams the corporate J.O.B (Just Over Broke), one of my favorites terms :-) I actually do very well in my job making an honest living. I currently make over six figures (started 20 years ago making $19,000) and I provide a usuable product. I work hard, also play hard ;-) , live on way less than I make, invest the rest, and have a very comfortable lifestyle. I'm sure if I had the attitude that you have about jobs, I would be pretty much going nowhere in it. I mean why try when you don't care.

I sleep well at night knowing I'm not involved in something that may bring tax evasion charges. Not my words, but the words of the President of the California Society of Enrolled Agents.

I think it is you who does not understand the concept of a gift. According to the IRS their definition of a gift is the following: "Gifts include money and property, including the use of property without expecting to receive something of equal value in return". The IRS has determined that a participant who joins a "Gifting Scheme" (which NOSS123 is) is expecting a return for their gift (no matter what dubious contract they sign), thus making it an illegal pyramid scheme.

This is from the California Society of Enrolled Agents, which is a professional organization that represents agents licensed by the federal government to represent taxpayers before the Internal Revenue Service.


More Bad News for Gifting Clubs: The IRS Is Watching

The recent arrests of several women in an alleged Sacramento-based pyramid scheme called "Women Helping Women" have shed new light on a very old scam, the "pyramid scheme" that claims to reward investors (or "donors") while actually fleecing them. Not only are such schemes illegal, but the Internal Revenue Service has a nasty surprise for anyone who thinks the payouts are tax-free.

"Some of these 'gifting' organizations claim the money is tax-free, but the IRS considers all income derived from them to be reportable income," says Connie Lorz, EA, President of the California Society of Enrolled Agents. "Of course, for most of those who get involved in these gifting parties, it's a moot point, as they're never going to see any profit or even get their original stake back."

In the Sacramento case, each participant bought a place at the table with an initial pledge of between $625 to $5,000, with the promise of an eventual payout of up to $40,000. Of course, like all pyramid schemes, its success is contingent on the gullibility of its victims and the need to keep reaching new suckers.

Promoters of gifting parties claim that such events are legal and guarantee a return on your gift. Both of those claims are false; in California, Penal Code sections 327 and 484 prohibit endless chain and pyramid schemes. And of course, to move up the pyramid far enough to qualify for the cash payout involves bringing in new people for the level beneath you, and those new people have to bring in new people, and eventually the list of prospective participants invariably runs out, leaving hefty paydays for the perpetrators of the fraud but nothing for the rest.

Proving the adage that there's a sucker born every minute, gifting clubs -- which sometimes call themselves "Women Empowering Women" or "Circle of Friends" -- have spread across the U.S. and into Mexico and Great Britain.

Despite the claims of legality from the clubs' organizers, and despite the dubious contracts members sign stating that the money they "donate" to the club is a gift for which they expect no return, the Internal Revenue Service considers that the participants do indeed expect a return.

"Those individuals who got involved in the scam early and have their piece of dessert are subject to tax evasion charges if they haven't declared their gains," Lorz adds.



Again, Gifting Shemes Are Illegal!!! Just type in Gifting Scheme into a search engine and you will see for youself. Even NOSS had to change their name to try and keep one step ahead of the authorities. I can tell by the way you slam jobs that this isn't your first attempt at trying an MLM. Let me guess.. Quixtar? Pre-Paid Legal? or one of the thousands of other's out there with some sort of brainwashing educational motivational tape system that slams the corporate J.O.B (Just Over Broke), one of my favorites terms :-) I actually do very well in my job making an honest living. I currently make over six figures (started 20 years ago making $19,000) and I provide a usuable product. I work hard, also play hard ;-) , live on way less than I make, invest the rest, and have a very comfortable lifestyle. I'm sure if I had the attitude that you have about jobs, I would be pretty much going nowhere in it. I mean why try when you don't care.

I sleep well at night knowing I'm not involved in something that may bring tax evasion charges. Not my words, but the words of the President of the California Society of Enrolled Agents.

Victor, it is apparent that you do not understand NOSS and you do not understand the concept of a gift nor even the governments own laws on this subject. It is not a matter of semantics at all. It is a matter of law and what the law does and does not allow.

Your boss gives you a bonus and "reports" that bonus as income paid to you to the IRS. You are then forced to pay taxes on that money. If he gave it as a gift, then no taxes would be incurred to you as long as it is below $11000. But your boss doesn't do that because he wants to lower his/her own tax liabilty by claiming as income to you. This is all about who gets to pay the tax and in this case the tax burden is passed on to you. Your boss does this happily because he gets to reward your donkey effort for making him wealthy all year.

Did you know that your job is a scheme in which you get to make someone else wealthy? Most company structures are pyramidal in structure where your labor funnels money constantly to the top tier. The top one percent are making 6 figures and more while your wage and raise barely beats the cost of inflation every year. I've been in the work force for 28 years and not once did my raise ever beat the cost of inflation. In fact, it mostly hasn't even come close.

Hello? "a Paying of a fee" and "a GIFT between two consenting adults" is the exact same thing! You are just changing the semantics around. If this gift is required to join this company (or do you call it "invited into a private group of loving people") then it is considered a fee!

This definately does not pass the smell test. To make money in this scheme you need to get people under you to give you money.. ummm.. I mean gift you money. Mmmm, I wonder who makes the most in this scheme.. can you say.. the people at the top! Hey maybe I can call my bonus from work a "gift" and I won't have to pay any taxes on it ha ha. I mean it is just a private matter between two people, me and my boss.

This ridiculous gifting scheme along with the promise of "Make 500 to 3500 a day!" screams pyramid scheme. This reminds me a lot of the old send a dollar each to the five people on the list, remove the name from the top of the list, put your name on the bottom of the list, and send the list to five new people scheme. Maybe if they changed it to "gift a dollar to each person" it would have succeeded.

Listen folks, get a job or a skill that you can utilize to open a real business, live on less you make, and wisely invest the rest. Notice I said wisely (i.e. not some internet scheme that promises hundreds/thousands of dollars a day if you just work hard!"). You don't want to be involved in this insane idea when the Feds come to shut it down.

Hi Steve from FLA,
Thanks for the feed back.

You are right about Pyramid Schemes, but it does not follow when it comes to NOSS. Just because you can make a line and arrow diagram of something doesn't qualify it as a pyramid scheme. In business they call them flow charts and business models.

By definition a pyramid scheme also must mathematically fail to the benefit of only the few, which is fraud. It is set up so that the base at some point would have to encompass every person on the planet to continue and the majority except the top looses in that collapse. NOSS will never fail in that way. In NOSS after inviting your 2nd person you are immune to any failure that NOSS may suffer, because you get what you give.

Under the FTC's own rules NOSS does not come under the definitions you state.

In NOSS, Money is NOT MADE as in selling a product or working a wage earning job. The money is a GIFT between 2 consenting adults in a private manner. Neither NOSS nor any other party benefits what-so-ever in this private gift. Under the law anyone can give a GIFT to anyone else of up to $11000 per year. For instance, if I send you a private gift of $500, and you received this gift it is just that a gift. How many of you claimed your marriage gifts as taxable income? What, you didn't claim them? Why? Do you think that you aught to go to jail even though it is perfectly legal under the law to receive these gifts? The model that NOSS closely resembles is a Receiving Line at a wedding. Who here can tell me that that model is a pyramid scheme?

There simply is no tiered commission paid to anyone outside of that private gifting arrangement between 2 people.

Just what viable product is ever given in exchange where a gift is concerned?

And, if you do have a product or service, and you force your new prospects to buy it as a condition of joining, you are engaging in a pyramid scheme. This statement can be said of many businesses that are not pyramids. For instance to use the Internet or use a cell phone, you are forced to pay a never ending fee to do so. Most clubs require that you pay some sort of monthly or yearly dues or you're out. Let's grow up here a little bit.

Yes, I object to the way that NOSS tends to hype this program, because NOSS is NOT a get rich quick enterprise. If you got in to it for that purpose, then I don't blame you for sounding off here, because things just don't work that way. Yet did you give it your all or did you quick after a week or so. The only one who loses in NOSS is the one who quits. You can't say that with a pyramid scheme.

"Nick1down",

Although it appears to me that you are involved in this scheme, and are trying to protect it, I will explain a pyramid to you.

The FTC, along with many state's consumer affairs divisions and AG's define a PYRAMID to be ANY "business opportunity" where money is made solely by recruitment of other members, and is paid through multiple levels of compensation.

This means that if you have a tiered commission system, and you do not offer a viable product or service, you are engaging in a pyramid scheme. And, if you do have a product or service, and you force your new prospects to buy it as a condition of joining, you have a pyramid.

Very simple.

There is no such thing as get rich quick. MOST MLM's fail within the first year. The ones that last longer are usually the pyramid type, until the feds shut them down.

Get a real job.

"Nick1down",

Although it appears to me that you are involved in this scheme, and are trying to protect it, I will explain a pyramid to you.

The FTC, along with many state's consumer affairs divisions and AG's define a PYRAMID to be ANY "business opportunity" where money is made solely by recruitment of other members, and is paid through multiple levels of compensation.

This means that if you have a tiered commission system, and you do not offer a viable product or service, you are engaging in a pyramid scheme. And, if you do have a product or service, and you force your new prospects to buy it as a condition of joining, you have a pyramid.

Very simple.

There is no such thing as get rich quick. MOST MLM's fail within the first year. The ones that last longer are usually the pyramid type, until the feds shut them down.

Get a real job.

"Nick1down",

Although it appears to me that you are involved in this scheme, and are trying to protect it, I will explain a pyramid to you.

The FTC, along with many state's consumer affairs divisions and AG's define a PYRAMID to be ANY "business opportunity" where money is made solely by recruitment of other members, and is paid through multiple levels of compensation.

This means that if you have a tiered commission system, and you do not offer a viable product or service, you are engaging in a pyramid scheme. And, if you do have a product or service, and you force your new prospects to buy it as a condition of joining, you have a pyramid.

Very simple.

There is no such thing as get rich quick. MOST MLM's fail within the first year. The ones that last longer are usually the pyramid type, until the feds shut them down.

Get a real job.

"Nick1down",

Although it appears to me that you are involved in this scheme, and are trying to protect it, I will explain a pyramid to you.

The FTC, along with many state's consumer affairs divisions and AG's define a PYRAMID to be ANY "business opportunity" where money is made solely by recruitment of other members, and is paid through multiple levels of compensation.

This means that if you have a tiered commission system, and you do not offer a viable product or service, you are engaging in a pyramid scheme. And, if you do have a product or service, and you force your new prospects to buy it as a condition of joining, you have a pyramid.

Very simple.

There is no such thing as get rich quick. MOST MLM's fail within the first year. The ones that last longer are usually the pyramid type, until the feds shut them down.

Get a real job.

I've brought this idea to friends, but all of them believe it is some pyramid scheme. So I did some comparison investigating on NOSS and Pyramid Scheme.
Here are some of the conclusions that I have come to:

1.) A Pyramid Scheme has a structure that must mathematically and without a shadow of a doubt collapse in time. Most everyone loses from the collapse, while only the top few benefit.

NOSS's structure can never collapse because it is mathematically easily sustainable. A Receiving Line can end, but this is only due to the last person giving up on the idea. He or she is in total control and there is no pressure like a collapse hanging over their heads. Because time is not a factor as to when they can qualify and the inviter can be a big help, they have many options.

The only other person that is affected because of an end to a Receiving Line is the inviter who most likely has already started other Receiving Lines and has benefited from that Receiving Line anyway. All the people who came before the last person in the Receiving Line cannot be adversely affected, because they have already moved on to start their own Receiving Lines. If it is totally their choice for quitting, then who has monetarily damaged or defrauded said person?

2.) A Pyramid Scheme expects people to pay a fee in lieu of a definite promised return. When that return does not materialize due to the inevitable pyramid collapse, then everyone who lost on the deal is defrauded.

With NOSS everyone gives a Gift without expectation of a promised return what-so-ever. The only way he or she can lose is if they give up. The system cannot collapse on them before they realize a benefit. If they break even, then they cannot be defrauded and if they decide not go forward, then they only defrauding themselves.

3.) A Pyramid Scheme requires qualifying several people before breaking even.

With NOSS he or she needs only Invite 1 person to qualify to start a receiving line, and then the 2nd person is the break even point. After that it is all benefit. No collapse of any kind can take that away even if they get kicked out do to violating it's policy later.

NOTE: If you are working in any industry, then you are entirely subjected to your company's policy. Breaking any of those policies can lead to permanent termination.

4.) In a Pyramid Scheme no one knows who is getting the money. It is purposely shady to mask the fact that only the top few are reaping huge windfalls of cash while everyone else flounders at the bottom.

In NOSS you always know where the money is gifting to. What you gifted will always be what is gifted to you. If there is a gift given in your receiving line that you do not qualify for then that goes to your Inviter or the next Inviter that qualifies for it. However, there are only 3 levels to qualify on and you can qualify on all 3 at any time and then all gifts will come directly to you and not Roll Up to your Inviter anymore.

5.) A Pyramid promises a return for Little or No Effort. Besides the mathematic improbability that a Pyramid Scheme survives it is this lazy attitude that brings about its early end in which case the entire thing collapses and everyone is OUT whether they want it or not.

I see no way to benefit in NOSS if effort isn't exerted. The only one truly hurt by this is the one who does not apply effort and eventually quits.

Well that is what I got so far.

By the way, Steve says he spent "$850 to get it all". He doesn't say why he actually made this large of a capital investment. Was this above and beyond his initial gift and web maintenance fee? Perhaps he is including the $500 Plus the $120. That would be $620. Postage might cost him another $50. That's $670 to join. $850 - $670 = $180. After all said and done I think even the $180 is kind of high. He says that he has been at it only a week and a half and he hasn't seen anything, but really what has he done yet? Has he qualified? Has he even started his 1st receiving line?

Like I said above I believe that to get started with NOSS is quite a bit of work. If he sits back and does nothing; of course nothing will happen.

NOSS is was is states it is on its website clearly! basically like most things if you do nothing you receive nothing this person only gave it a week and a half.It is the BEST

Dear Sirs,

This is a wonderful business opportunity the Jason was so excited to get in that I truly believe he didn't listen to what I told him would make this a very viable asset for him in a relatively short period of time.

I went out of my way and forwarded very confidential training materials even before I actually received his gift of $500 to me. I also provide him 1,000 leads to get started with so he could begin calling money seekers right away until his paid for and better conversion leads got processed and emailed to him.

After setting him up on the 26th of October with all my training materials, I never heard from Jason after that until he then filed this report and then called me three hours later saying that this was a ripoff. I then tried to immediately call him, only to get his answering machine. I was there to help and understand his concerns and he never called me back. I even called another number he gave me to contact him with and found out he had left for a week to go on a vacation with his girlfriend. Obviously, if his concern was to get started with this and work the system to recoup his investment and then also make additional gifts, he needed to begin working NOSS.

This is a totally inaccurate claim. I have gone out of my way to get him set up and am always available to help him. That is what we do as members of NOSS and separates us from 99% of the programs out there. We do help.

Jason must obviously be in a tight money situation and needs to turn some joining members very soon. Going on vacation will definitely slow that progress. It took me 2 1/2 weeks to get my first member and then the continual pipe line of contacts began to pay off for me with several joining over the next couple months.

This is a wonderful program and the system works. The only way it doesn't is if you don't work it or give it a chance. I don't know of any business that doesn't require hard consistent, persistent work. The main difference here is that the trend seems to be that members join more readily do to the simplicity, uniqueness, and duplicatable components of this program.

Based upon what I have rebutted here, if I have done something wrong, then someone please tell me. I has relayed this opportunity accurately and placed Jason with all the ingredients to make him successful. He now only needs to work it. I don't believe he has even done the additional steps I requested that were vital to his quicker success. It is important to have a website presence to show people other than just sending them to the live call so you can give that professionalism and capture interested prospects to then keep in touch with them.

To do all things neccesary to begin this properly it takes a week to a week in a half to have it all in place before you should call, but is not required.

I wish Jason well and if he either purchases the leads I recommend and use the free forums that are available to him to advertise, he will do fine.

Have anyone feel free to contact me anytime in regards to this. NOSS is the #1 success system on the Internet.

Sincerely,

Steve Campbell
918-286-2931
faithandprosperity@tulsacoxmail.com