Real Social Dynamics ripoff false advertising frauds scam artists West Hollywood California

I'm gonna keep my comment quite short:

Several years ago I was a really shy person and could never talk to someone I didn't know not to speak of a girl I found pretty.

I have never bought an RSD product. I just followed their free content on the internet and what people mostly do is to just simplify what RSD is teaching to a point where it is ridiculous.

Something about myself(I'm not trying to brag, just pointing out some things):

Through the teachings of RSD I have not only quit smoking and stopped drinking, I've also become way more hard working. I do not only study foreign languages at university level and speak about four to ten languages depending on what the standard for speaking a language is RSD also helped me to become a more authentic person which was crucial to dating the girls that I've been dating. A few years ago I couldn't even look a girl I liked into the eyes and had it not been for RSD, that would still be the case. Also, through what RSD taught me I have become a person that most of my friends describe as a very confident and extremely social and authentic person. RSD does tell you that you can't get every girl. What they do tell you is that if your willing to work on yourself, go out and improve your social skills/game you can get the types of girls that you want in your life. You also can't get laid every night and they talk about that too.

Finally social skills/game is a skill. And a skill is only developped over time and with hard work. If you train with Mike Tyson once you're not gonna be as good as him in boxing but can definately learn something and improve tremendously in a session with him. Same goes for good PUAs. They can help you and guide you but you yourself have to work and develop the skills.

So, thanks you RSD for changing my life for the better although I have never even bought a single one of your products.

Yours sincerely,

Phil

Similar thing happened with me, I attended an RSD bootcamp on June 2013, in Sydney, taken by Alex Treasure of RSD. To cut to the chase, I basically paid 2000 USDs for Alexander to come to Sydney for a holiday. His instruction and teaching whilst out was non-existent, and his attitude is characterised by arrogance and a sense of indifference. Throughout the bootcamp, the students had to go out of their way to find him whilst he was hitting on girls at the club, his argument was that he was "demonstrating" for students his "scientific method" for attracting women, which was kind of funny, since most of the time he was nowhere near the students, nor did anyone ask him to "demonstrate". Anyway, Alex Treasure is just some manipulative ego-maniac who lives in the sheltered world of pick-up, surrounded by "Yes men" RSD fan boys. What surprises me is how Alex, purports to have discovered the "Scientific method" for attracting women based on his education in psychology, when in-fact he didn't complete his studies and dropped out of uninversity. I also attended an Alex in-field footage Hotseat, which basically consists of Alex buying girls drinks, until one of them is either drunk or dumb enough to go "home" with him. What never ceases to amaze me about RSD, is how they have created a cult-like worship of their ideologies, and drones upon drones of RSD fan boys who accept whatever is said by RSD instructors like mindless zombies. What most of men in the community have been taken in by, is the idea that attracting women is a "skill-set", where your appearance, success and financial security has absolutely no influence on a women's level of attraction towards a man. RSD fan boys live and hope that someday they'll develop the "skill-set" where they can "pick-up" any hot girl walkig down the street, regardless of their life situation. As a man I can see the appeal of this belief; but also just how ridiculous it is as well. RSD insinuates that women have an "On switch", and if your "skill-set" is good enough, then you can attract any women you want, even if you're short, fat and socially inept. Instead of saying something along the lines of "Practice talking with women more, and be more sociable" which will inevitably lead to better results; RSD replaces commonsense with psycho-babble and new age spiritualism, maintaining success with women derives from "being in state", "being non-reactive" etc., and other pseudo-pop-spiritualism expressions. What most of their fans refuse to believe is that women have autonomy, and are capable of thinking for themselves, and the idea of "game being a skill-set" is a marketing gimmick perpetraited by RSD in order to sell their bootcamps, DVDs and various other programs. I posted a negative review about my bootcamp experience on the forum not long after June 2013, that was subsequently deleted by RSD. I suggest people steer clear of RSD bootcamps, especially the ones' taken by Alex Treasure, he simply doesn't give a crap, and prefers to pick fights with his meat-head friend Sean. It'll be interesting to see what would happen him Alex and his mate Sean picked on guys who knew how to fight back! The truth is that most people who take bootcamps with Alexander them lack assertiveness, allowing him to utilize his pseduo-logic to manipulate people. I will be posting more about RSD and Alexander in the future, and also screen shots of my review that got deleted from their website.

The bottom line when I went, was that the instructors themselves were not able to get hotties.  So I doubted their ability to teach me, that which they did not know, or could not demonstrate.  I'm not saying that none of them have ever been with a hottie in their entire life, but they all failed miserably on the very few approaches that I beggged them to do.  Therefore, their "methods" certainly couldn't be characterized as "consistent", as they emphasize in their marketing.

Anyway, I asked for a refund, and was denied.   After that, I was just sent to voicemail from then on.  They seemed very slippery slash slimy, to try to sue for the money, so I just punted, and let them keep my money.  I'm still bitter about it, but a lawsuit seemed futile.  Maybe when they get a little more legitimate, with more assets, all of the people like myself that were denied refunds, can do a class-action lawsuit.  I would be willing to spearhead that, although I'd have to double check on the statute of limitations, by the time they have actual assets.

So, I guess it's just important to realize that their "money-back guarantee" is a COMPLETE sham!  From what I personally experienced, and what I have read here and elsewhere, under no circumstances will you ever get your money back, if you request that they honor the "money-back guarantee".  And good luck suing a cell phone number and fake office address.

I'm not saying the whole thing is complete crap.  I'm just saying that it is maybe 2 stars, out of 5 stars.  But the fact that they don't honor their word, and have pretty much zero integrity, would probably make me give them 1 star.  I think Jlaix is pretty d**n funny sometimes, but  it just doesn't make up for the lack of integrity.

If you are considering doing it, offer to pay them after the bootcamp is over, and you are satisfied.  They probably won't go for it, so offer to have a neutral third-party hold the money in "escrow".  If they stand by their money-back guarantee, this should be possible.  Or just go in, knowing that the money-back guarantee does not really exist.  Or, possibly use your American Express card, since they generally side with the consumer on chargebacks.  I think Paypal generally sides with the consumer also.  But I don't know for sure, so buyer beware.

I'm sure that Real Social Dynamics has improved in some ways since this report was first written, but any company is only as good as its leadership. It was very low-class for Nick Kho to say that the original poster stole the check from his mom and didn't want to be grounded, and probably untrue.

Does anyone actually believe that this grown adult would actually tell RSD "hey guys, my mom is going to ground me, so if you don't give me money so that I can go see Tony Robbins I'm going to write a nasty Ripoff Report about you!" It's absurd, the owner of RSD (not an intern, not an instructor, but THE OWNER!) represented this here. Reread Nick's post and ask yourself if this is a person with whom you would like to do business...

My suspicion here is that the customer asked for a refund because he was dissatisfied, RSD refused his refund request for some reason, and he told RSD that he would share his story if they did not honor his refund request. And as soon as he did, Nick Kho jumps in to try and make him look stupid and embarrass him with the whole "mom's check/getting grounded" post instead of directly addressing the issue.

The refund request denials from RSD bootcamps are fairly common, and documented heavily on the (((Redacted)))website.


CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

Seriously though guys, one of the things they say in the foundations bootcamp, as a bigtime excuse for guys who fail at pickup, is "I've never accomplished anything in my life, I hate myself, but I can't understand why I don't get this." Have any of you guys read Neil Strauss' book The Game? He talks bad about Tyler Durden the whole time, because they don't get along. But not because he doesn't have skills. Tyler caused trouble around the project hollywood house for Mystery and Style. They have resolved their issues now, but Style "Neil" say he has skills with women, and understands the game, No Doubt. And pickup isn't something that can be learned and applied without any practice. You can read all day about how to change the transmission in a car, but you need to actually DO IT to say that it's a skill of yours. With pickup, you need to be process oriented, you are trying to learn the SKILL of pickup, so you are going to get rejected, and that's how you learn. But once you learn, you won't get rejected, and can get the women you want. You guys obviously have some issues with quitting. Stop blaming everyone else, it's your fault you didn't learn from the bootcamp, not RSD. They have taught countless guys, who turned into masters.

I'm very upset that the above comments are posted. I got my hands on the blueprint decoded audiobook, tyler's 4 day conference series. I'm a student( no money), so I don't like to pay for this stuff, lets just say I got it from my friend.

I'll tell you about the product later, but now I just wanted to say how I've changed from his advice, and that I'm confident, if I learned SO Much about success with women (and myself) from him speaking 19 or so hours, that he is good in the field.

simple


im very grateful i got my hands on the product, im a different person, thats why i bother now with this rebuttal. I have never seen him in the field , but I practiced what he taught and saw instant results. (i still need work/ practice for sure)

it seems to me his methods are not traditional pickup.
previous methods pull the women down from her pedestal and you step up.

He would probably say that there is no pedestal. its in your head.
with his seminar, i have learned to shed that which constrained my confidence, learned that there is no reason to fear an interaction and much more.

I cant say he doesnt have bad nights ( never seen him at all), but his philosophy of inner game, and self growth and change is really enlightening and worth the encounter

If you are looking for pick up lines, tricks and gimmicks, you might not find them from him. He will probably teach that you just need to be your confident happy self and that is what women are attracted to.

I hope i did not give too much away! Thanks Tyler.

I'm very upset that the above comments are posted. I got my hands on the blueprint decoded audiobook, tyler's 4 day conference series. I'm a student( no money), so I don't like to pay for this stuff, lets just say I got it from my friend.

I'll tell you about the product later, but now I just wanted to say how I've changed from his advice, and that I'm confident, if I learned SO Much about success with women (and myself) from him speaking 19 or so hours, that he is good in the field.

simple


im very grateful i got my hands on the product, im a different person, thats why i bother now with this rebuttal. I have never seen him in the field , but I practiced what he taught and saw instant results. (i still need work/ practice for sure)

it seems to me his methods are not traditional pickup.
previous methods pull the women down from her pedestal and you step up.

He would probably say that there is no pedestal. its in your head.
with his seminar, i have learned to shed that which constrained my confidence, learned that there is no reason to fear an interaction and much more.

I cant say he doesnt have bad nights ( never seen him at all), but his philosophy of inner game, and self growth and change is really enlightening and worth the encounter

If you are looking for pick up lines, tricks and gimmicks, you might not find them from him. He will probably teach that you just need to be your confident happy self and that is what women are attracted to.

I hope i did not give too much away! Thanks Tyler.

I'm very upset that the above comments are posted. I got my hands on the blueprint decoded audiobook, tyler's 4 day conference series. I'm a student( no money), so I don't like to pay for this stuff, lets just say I got it from my friend.

I'll tell you about the product later, but now I just wanted to say how I've changed from his advice, and that I'm confident, if I learned SO Much about success with women (and myself) from him speaking 19 or so hours, that he is good in the field.

simple


im very grateful i got my hands on the product, im a different person, thats why i bother now with this rebuttal. I have never seen him in the field , but I practiced what he taught and saw instant results. (i still need work/ practice for sure)

it seems to me his methods are not traditional pickup.
previous methods pull the women down from her pedestal and you step up.

He would probably say that there is no pedestal. its in your head.
with his seminar, i have learned to shed that which constrained my confidence, learned that there is no reason to fear an interaction and much more.

I cant say he doesnt have bad nights ( never seen him at all), but his philosophy of inner game, and self growth and change is really enlightening and worth the encounter

If you are looking for pick up lines, tricks and gimmicks, you might not find them from him. He will probably teach that you just need to be your confident happy self and that is what women are attracted to.

I hope i did not give too much away! Thanks Tyler.

I'm very upset that the above comments are posted. I got my hands on the blueprint decoded audiobook, tyler's 4 day conference series. I'm a student( no money), so I don't like to pay for this stuff, lets just say I got it from my friend.

I'll tell you about the product later, but now I just wanted to say how I've changed from his advice, and that I'm confident, if I learned SO Much about success with women (and myself) from him speaking 19 or so hours, that he is good in the field.

simple


im very grateful i got my hands on the product, im a different person, thats why i bother now with this rebuttal. I have never seen him in the field , but I practiced what he taught and saw instant results. (i still need work/ practice for sure)

it seems to me his methods are not traditional pickup.
previous methods pull the women down from her pedestal and you step up.

He would probably say that there is no pedestal. its in your head.
with his seminar, i have learned to shed that which constrained my confidence, learned that there is no reason to fear an interaction and much more.

I cant say he doesnt have bad nights ( never seen him at all), but his philosophy of inner game, and self growth and change is really enlightening and worth the encounter

If you are looking for pick up lines, tricks and gimmicks, you might not find them from him. He will probably teach that you just need to be your confident happy self and that is what women are attracted to.

I hope i did not give too much away! Thanks Tyler.

Real Social Dynamics is the company who has BY FAR the most negative feedback in the pickup community. A lot of their customers are not satisfied.

Most other pickup companies have only great reports (with sometimes one or two exceptions).

So if I want to take a workshop, I'll take that fact into consideration... I suggest everyone does the same.

may I suggest, why pay??? i mean I wouldnt pay 2,000 dollars just to have sum dudes teach me sort skills they known themselves I mean I would practice these skills myself well since I am myself a mediocre PUA'er. I mean there are websites on how to obtain such skills.

www.pick-up-artist-forum.com

may I suggest, why pay??? i mean I wouldnt pay 2,000 dollars just to have sum dudes teach me sort skills they known themselves I mean I would practice these skills myself well since I am myself a mediocre PUA'er. I mean there are websites on how to obtain such skills.

www.pick-up-artist-forum.com

Hey Guys, c'mon! Do you write these negative reports yourselves to get more Google hits? I wouldn't be surprised if Swingcat was in this, too - an old strategy from the entertainment business, where stars bad-mouth each other from time to time to stay in the press - since there is no bad press.

Anyone who has seen the RSD guys in action will know it is RIDICULOUS to say that they have no in-field skills with women. Like saying, Al Pacino can't act.

His mother freaked about a fraudulent check?

COME ON !!!

I have done an in-field workshop with RSD last summer in Amsterdam. I was amazed to meet the Master Tyler himself. That workshop was PHANTASTIC and made me a different person. My girlfriend hated it since I was then out of her control.

This year, I did a bootcamp in London which was still pretty good compared to all other lame workshops I have attended.

After that, I started getting phone#s from girls. A while later, I started getting REAL phone#s, LOL.

As to personal and business ethics, I don't really know, but I usually smell a rat when there is one and I haven't smelled any rats with RSD. My guess is, these guys are too smart to do rip-offs.

As a professional pickup artist and competitor to Real Social Dynamics, I've had the chance to meet and see several RSD instructors both in the classroom, in the field, and in out-of-work settings. Naturally I've also had similar experiences with many other talented pickup artists for comparison purposes.

The guys of Real Social Dynamics are, without a doubt, very talented individuals. Tyler in particular is perhaps one of the smartest guys I've met in a long time, and has a very firm grasp on what attracts women and what doesn't.

Quite simply, if a student does not benefit from a bootcamp, in my experience, it's usually because the student comes in with the attitude that they know everything, don't need help, and aren't willing to try new things -- but that the bootcamp should magically transform them anyway. You can see this in the initial report as the student is upset that there is *a* girl that Tyler talked to that he didn't take home. Learning pickup increases the success you have with women -- it doesn't make you infallible, and even master pickup artists can't get *every* girl.

Though it may be unusual for a competitor to come to another company's defense here on ROR.com, inaccurate reports like this hurt not only the target company but the industry as well. RSD has quality material and they deserve credit for that.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

~~Affection
Project Manhattan PUA, Inc.
Phone: (877) NYC-PUA1
E-mail: affection@projectmanhattanpua.com

The positive post above about RSD has many of Tyler's signature persuasion techniques. He oviously wrote it.

Notice he is very careful to "pace" every objection from the initial review, allowing him to systematically diffuse criticisms. This is one his signature techniques, and his use of it is quite distinctive.

Anyone who has met Tyler, and listened carefully to his "Blueprint" would recognize this signature style.

Having never taken a bootcamp, I can't say one way or the other whether they can back up their claims. I would only warn those reading the "positive" rsd review to take it was a grain of salt.

And judging from their tactics of posting a fake positive review at all, it would make me suspicious of their business ethics.

I'd like to preface my comments by saying that one of the difficult and great things about ripoffreport.com is that anyone can say whatever they want and the person reported is left having to prove themselves.

This is great as victims shouldn't have to be afraid to speak up. It is bad, as whatever comments the owner responds with are already suspect, and anyone who has had a different experience with the company sounds like a crony.

I almost don't want to comment as my opinion will likely be dismissed by the hyperskeptical. But I feel I owe it to RSD to make my point heard.

I will also preface my comments by stating that my case may be unique as I attended one of the first of their "superconferences", and if I put myself in the shoes of someone who only went to a "boot camp", I think I can see where the experience could be much less fulfilling.

I was very fortunate to already be familiar with David DeAngelo's materials and KNOW him to be a stand-up guy. When he put his stamp of approval on RSD, that was enough for me. I was even more fortunate not to have read any reviews before signing up.

When I checked out their website, it had a slimy "used car salesman" pitch feel to it, which shook my resolve a bit, but I remembered thinking the exact same thing about DeAngelo's material before I was more familiar with the man and his mission. So I gave them the benefit of the doubt and went to see if they could help me do something I was unable to do for myself.

I happily can say they did so.

Ironically, in Oriel's list of claims on their website, the only one I didn't get a basic grounding and understanding in was ---
o How to get access to and work the most exclusive venues, where the most stunning women are found. --- which is bizarre, because we only had a two day superconference and three day boot camp. I find it hard to believe, even now on the other side of the weekend, that we were able to cover as much material as we did.

But beyond the material, the experience was what totally changed everything for me. I was pushed beyond my boundaries, outside of my comfort zone, pushed into conversations with people I didn't want to talk to, with girls and guys I wasn't interested in, with nothing to say at all, just being exposed to rejection after rejection and constantly being pumped up by my instructor on any little thing that went well in the interactions.

While all this is going on, my highly analytical mind was saying, "Enough with the bullshit. This isn't going well at all, stop pumping me up", while at the same time I was starting to see what he was getting at. The more numb I became to the rejections or reactions of the people I was talking to, the more the realization dawned on me that they weren't rejecting me... they were rejecting the fouled-up self-image I was presenting to them, the inner limiting beliefs that I was showcasing that I was forcing them to agree with. Every time I forgot how "lame" I am socially, I forgot to show them my "lameness" and saw them reacting entirely different than I'm used to. I saw them reacting to the guy I've wished I was and, as it turns out, the guy I actually am.

As soon as I learned to let the guy I am come out through all the ego defense mechanisms and limiting beliefs and self-lies, I was able to start applying some of the techniques they were teaching me, that I couldn't believe worked.

I was walking up to strangers and creating attraction, and not believing it while it was happening. I was having groups of women wanting more from me, dancing, touching, etcetera. I watched as the instructors around me did and said things that were absolutely off the wall, but in a way that was so on that I could see incredible women want them.

The experience of watching an unattractive man spout nonsense to a group of seven women and have them all looking like their going to swoon was one of the most bizarre things I've ever witnessed. I will always be able to look back at it, during moments of self-doubt and say, that's me sometime in the near future.

The most important result of taking RSD's course is that my roommate, co-workers, friends, and family see a difference in me. I deal with everyone different, I enjoy people more, I am happier with myself and I'm happier with women. This RSD course is designed to create pick-up artists, from the point of view of an outsider and is even used to bring in business, I think. But what the core effect of the course seems to be is to make you a better man, a better human, one that brings value to the world and to any interaction you enter into. And I am grateful. One of the most significant truths, and a sad one, is that men who stifle themselves (through fear of rejection) produce rejection through their incongruency. Rather than learn from the rejections they cause women to subject them to, they actually become bitter and misogynistic, as I myself was.

While I'm nowhere near where I'm heading, I now am starting to understand that people, especially women, didn't reject me because there's something wrong with me, but because I was not true to who I am. Some people WILL reject who I am, but that's an entirely different set of social dynamics, and one that I can actually handle.

So, if you are a good guy and want to like women and enjoy their company, but are unsuccessful doing so, I highly recommend you attend a superconference and a boot camp. And just for clarity, I will be posting these same comments on RSD's site and anywhere else I feel it's appropriate. I want people to get the help they need.

Anyone that is swayed not to take their course, due to some lame reviews, or even just due to their unfortunate timing in not having been exposed to the positive criticisms, I am sad for you. Especially since, if you're not coming from a position of trust like I was able to, you may find yourself easily turned away from their helping hand due to the cost of the course, the feel of their website and the comments of various others who may or may not have your best interests at heart and may or may not have the ability to critique honestly and objectively.

Good luck to you.

Bill

I was under the impression, the guys at Real Social Dynamics is full of s**t. After few conversations with them, I also realized, These guys completely lack Integrity and Ethics in the business and the approach towards women. I am very happy for not signing up with these clowns. These reports are for real folks. Infact I have seen several posts across the internet as I was planning to take the work shop myself.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff115620.htm

Search in google for real social dyanamics rip off.

If you are considering taking a RSD bootcamp, I urge you to read this review first:
if you like throwing money away, the RSD bootcamp may be for you.

Before you consider spending that $1500, I would suggest giving yourself a makeover, donating that money to the homeless, or hell, put it in a brief case, go to the center of your city, open it, and let it blow away in the wind. The money will be better off, trust me.

Hell, if you'd like, I can give you the exact same bootcamp experience for a mere $20.

This is because Oriel (((REDACTED))) wrote a fraudulent check from his mother's account to pay for the Bootcamp. After his mom discovered this, she freaked out and threatened to ground him. Oriel threatened to make this post if he didn't get the money back plus additional money because he wanted extra money to buy clothes and attend a Tony Robbins Seminar. Oriel's report is not only fakeit has absolutely no validity.