Report: National Magazine Exchange
Category: Con Artists
National Magazine Exchange ripoff fraudulent notification of $1,000,000.winnings after being asked to be removed from list Clearwater Florida
*Consumer Comment ..Be Wise
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National Magazine Exchange
Fax:
Clearwater, Florida, 33764
U.S.A.
Submitted: 6/26/2002 8:53:30 PM
Modified: 7/13/2007 6:27:57 PM
Mary
Damascus, MDThis evening when I returned home from work I found an 'Important Delivery Letter' in my mail. Upon opening the 'important letter' I find a single sheet that says:
Dear ******
We are trying to reach you regarding your $1,000,000.00
Sweepstakes ID # **********. Please call us at the above number. This is a free call.
Sincerely - Pat Haines, Sales Representative
I then proceeded to call the number and give them my ID number to discover when my first check should arrive. 'But we haven't had the drawing yet. There can be no winner' was the reponse that I received. After being on hold for 45 minutes, waiting to hear when my check was to arrive, I was told that it was a Sweepstakes entry. 'Look on the back'. I thought for sure that the front read that I was already a winner. The back is irrelevant.
This is the same company that tried to sell me magazines at a 'discount rate' three times in the past two months, even after being asked to take me off their list. This evening I inquired as to the owner of the company and how they got my name and address, I was informed that I would have to send a self addressed stamped envelope to find anything out.
I may be researching telemarketing laws in my state and calling MR. Hanes at home next.
Mary
Damascus, Maryland
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Updates & Rebuttals:
- If you have a couple of minutes..... anti [6/26/2002 9:48:46 PM]
- National Magazine Ripoff Dee [7/10/2002 4:30:25 AM]
- National Magazine Exchange Dee [7/12/2002 10:16:43 AM]
- The BBB's info and the truth! April [7/13/2002 11:00:04 AM]
- Thanks to all Dave [3/14/2003 5:33:26 AM]
- Thank You to person who is responsible for composing this website Lisa [9/10/2003 10:35:39 AM]
- Thank goodness I didn't call Chris [9/23/2003 9:32:49 AM]
- TRY WORKING FOR THEM ..unethical, immoral and possibly illegal conduct sanctioned by my employer in the workplace Chuck [9/28/2003 10:02:41 PM]
- ITS ALL A LIE Brett [1/5/2004 9:49:17 PM]
- its not a rip off Brendan [1/9/2004 8:54:14 PM]
- you actually think people want these worthless subscriptions Cindy [1/10/2004 9:34:06 AM]
- They need suckers and patsy's like you to justify their immorality. Chuck [1/10/2004 2:27:04 PM]
- good deal? are you a complete idiot? Maria [6/16/2004 1:56:12 PM]
- Just plain absent minded, or stupid John [6/22/2004 6:16:56 PM]
- You just proved everyone's point -- NME is a rip off and always will be April [6/23/2004 8:22:41 AM]
- Being sneaky ,devious, and NOT up front with the customer equals unethical R [6/23/2004 7:08:11 PM]
- STEP CORRECT PEOPLE ! John [6/24/2004 11:33:32 PM]
- Once AGAIN, you have proven everyone's point! April [6/25/2004 7:40:17 PM]
- To John from Largo, who the heck is Pat Haines please. Russ [6/26/2004 8:05:33 AM]
- Want to stop NME, first DON'T CALL!!! Chuck [6/26/2004 10:49:54 PM]
- Information Robert [7/17/2004 11:40:51 AM]
- Some words of wisdom... Russel [8/16/2004 2:46:36 PM]
- Rus, We do GUARANTEE the lowest prices Charles [8/19/2004 10:32:33 AM]
- No Credit Card Required Denise [8/26/2004 1:25:25 PM]
- NME(National Magazine Exchange) is only in 'business' for one thing-to steal your credit card or bank number. Paul [9/5/2004 3:58:34 AM]
- Wow Paul thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Charles [9/6/2004 9:27:39 AM]
- employee ACTUALLY defending Benji [9/24/2004 10:33:02 AM]
- Business is down, the damage is done, so deny all you like. Paul [9/26/2004 3:38:24 AM]
- So.... for the defenders of this company...Now whatcha gotta say?? Teresa [9/28/2004 8:12:49 PM]
- Business fraud is profitable. Very profitable! Paul [9/29/2004 12:28:02 AM]
- this is 'whatcha gotta say' A lawsuit is a lawsuit, walmart gets sued every day Benji [9/29/2004 7:13:02 AM]
- Benji, get it right April [9/30/2004 6:26:50 AM]
- Awareness, you are still only a company apologist Chuck [9/30/2004 9:45:19 AM]
- sorry just waking up Benji [9/30/2004 9:10:01 PM]
- april your calculator needs batteries Benji [9/30/2004 9:45:35 PM]
- April - Waldorf, Maryland Charles [10/1/2004 6:16:51 AM]
- threatened with termination if we didn't rebut every customer three to five times Chuck [10/1/2004 1:49:56 PM]
- Wow, you really know nothing. 46 names used by NME April [10/2/2004 7:44:53 AM]
- Chuck Charles [10/2/2004 8:36:43 AM]
- DON'T MESS WITH OREGON!!! Right Chuck DeNova? Russ [10/2/2004 11:12:05 AM]
- Ohh Benji.......Got some more information for ya Teresa [10/2/2004 7:29:10 PM]
- Please leave web searches to google Benji [10/2/2004 8:38:20 PM]
- Clarification Chuck [10/3/2004 9:23:37 PM]
- Benji, please remove the foot from your mouth! “let's change our name every year so to avoid suits" April [10/3/2004 10:19:37 PM]
- Sorry about that Charles Teresa [10/4/2004 6:07:52 PM]
- A Slug's Story .For April. Russ [10/5/2004 6:43:05 PM]
- Thanks Teresa Chuck [10/5/2004 9:45:32 PM]
- Yet another post that has nothing to do with the issue at hand Benji [10/6/2004 10:03:31 AM]
- I have no problem with National Magazine Exchange Dan [11/6/2004 2:38:26 PM]
- Seperate Operations Chuck [11/7/2004 4:15:26 PM]
- Theres ONLY ONE SOLUTION! Junta [11/8/2004 1:15:56 PM]
- Just call them Mark [11/15/2004 2:22:21 PM]
- Junta Charles [11/16/2004 9:49:21 AM]
- Charles of NME, I'm not gonna do the attack in a civil way, its more like a what people called 'Brutal' way or 'Primitive'. Junta [11/16/2004 7:47:15 PM]
- Junta of Unknown did you actually get the magazines? Charles [11/17/2004 10:17:13 AM]
- The Ultimate Question Sean [12/1/2004 4:59:30 PM]
- Thank you chuck Betty [12/4/2004 1:12:18 PM]
- What did you expect Betty??? The sheep are being slaughtered as is the fate of sheep everywhere, the employees had a choice...and they chose. Chuck [12/4/2004 10:36:34 PM]
- Chuck Drop It Charles [12/6/2004 10:02:43 AM]
- King Charles' Personal Rip Off Report Website Chuck [12/6/2004 8:17:52 PM]
- Chuck regarding charles Betty [12/11/2004 11:53:44 AM]
- Chuck you stated above “I will stop the day the company returns to …" A - C [8/28/2006 6:48:56 PM]
- I got the sweepstakes scam in the mail today!! Imogene [1/31/2007 2:58:54 PM]
- Charles your postings are ridiculous. Walt [2/2/2007 12:59:23 AM]
- UMM NOT AS EASY AS YOU THINK Jeff [7/10/2007 9:39:22 AM]
- Be Wise Mike [7/13/2007 5:17:32 PM]
If you have a couple of minutes.....
If you have a couple of minutes you might consider to drop an on-line note to the USPS Inspectors. They hate sweepstakes.... There are very strict rules regulating sweepstakes, Magazine Exchange breaks many of these.
https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/
fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm
National Magazine Ripoff
If you really want to make a difference, go to the Better Business Bureau website. National Magazine Exchange is in Clearwater, Florida. You can make a complaint with them.
BTW, Pat Haines is not a real person, but a marketing name the company uses. Another thing about the mailer...it does not say you have won...that's why the person you spoke to said to read the back. All the mailer says is that the company was trying to reach you regarding your ID# which is given to you by the company and is on the mailer. Of course no one has to call when they receive the mailer. If you KNOW you haven't entered any sweepstakes, which you must consciously do, then my suggestion is THROW THE MAILER AWAY, because the purpose of the compamy is to get you to buy magazines.
National Magazine Exchange
I have heard negative reports about reports concerning the Better Business Bureau--*however*, as far as the National Magazine Exchange is concerned, you can do a search of this company on the BBB homepage, which will give you the name of the founder of NME and phone numbers, and other pertinent information.
The BBB's info and the truth!
First, I looked up their report on the BBB's website. This is what it says:
'National Magazine Exchange, Inc.
16120 US HWY 19 N Ste 400
Clearwater, FL 33764
Start Date: August 1985
Principal Contact: Mr. William H Hood III, CEO
Consumer Contact: Ms. Mylrae DeGregorio, Customer Service Rep.
Phone Number: 800-310-6247
Nature of Business: This company offers magazine subscriptions via phone and a telemarketing call center for various companies and products.
Costumer Experience: The company mails notices inviting people to call and enter the Million Dollar 'Strike it Rich' sweepstakes. There is no purchase nessasary to enter the sweepstakes. The odds of winning are determined by the number of people who enter. The company estimates the odds at no more than 1 in 250 million. The sweepstakes promotion is used by the company to promote magazine subscriptions. Our file experience shows that the company has recieved complaints alleging billing disputes, misinterpretation of the sweepstakes promotion and misunderstanding the companies billing terms. The company has addressed all complaints brought to its attention by the Bureau by cancelling the consumer's accounts or responding to questions regarding the sweepstakes promotions or its billing procedures.
Additional Information:
Also Doing Business as names: Clearinghouse Magazine, Million Dollar Sweepstakes, National List Exchange, Inc., National Publishers Exchange, Inc., National Telemarketing Exchange, Inc., NME, Special Data Processing, Inc., and Stirke it Rich 2 Sweepstakes.
Additional Addressed: PO Box 9084 Clearwater FL 33758-9084
Additional Phone Numbers: 800-235-3630, 888-326-2738, 800-316-6247, 727-815-8196'
Funny, huh? First off, the BBB is the biggest waste of time, and deliberately takes companies' money so not to file bad reports. As you can see in this one, the state that the company has responded to complaints, wrong. I fell into their gimmick many years ago. Upon calling, I was told that I won this magazine and that magazine and that I could exchange them for one more sutible for my family, etc.
I asked for any cost and was told none. There were a total of four magazine subscriptions I was told I won. A few months later, I still never recieved ANY, and I get a bill for $788. FREE, Huh? I sent a complaint years ago to the BBB at that time. Guess what was done, It's on my credit report as a account never paid. That's really how the BBB and the company dismiss complaint claims. To this day, I get these papers in, and yes, some of them say I HAVE ALREADY WON, I get at least 3 to 4 a year, not counting the one's my husband recieves along with my small children. It's your basic 'Hook, Line and Sinker' scam. I would do what someone else said and notify the USPS.
Now, I just rip these letters up and throw them away. I hope next time you do the same. Good Luck!
Thanks to all
Thinking the receipt of the letter was a gimmick; I placed the address of N.M.E in a search engine and found this page. Thank you for confirming my suspicions.
Dave
Thank You to person who is responsible for composing this website
I just wanted to thank the person who is responsible for composing this website. I also recieved my 'Sweepstakes Notification' today in the mail. I decided to look it up on the internet before making the phone call to claim my prize, whew!!!!!!I'm glad I did. Thank you so much.
Thank goodness I didn't call
Thank goodness I didn't call that number. I decided to do some research and thankfully I found this website. It too bad that people want to take advantage of others. THANK YOU to whom ever made this website available. You saved me a lot of hassel.
TRY WORKING FOR THEM ..unethical, immoral and possibly illegal conduct sanctioned by my employer in the workplace
So, you think it’s fun dealing with the National Magazine Exchange as potential customers. Try actually working for them.
I am a former employee of Special Data Processing Corporation a.k.a. National Magazine Exchange. I was terminated from my employment without just cause on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 by the then Director of Partnership Sales and Program Manager for Special Data Processing Corporation (hereafter SDP or the company) and the Senior Human Resources Manager. I was not given a rational reason for my termination when it happened, it was not presented to me in writing nor was I given a post-employment interview. The questions I had regarding my dismissal were then largely ignored and when I was able to pin them down, a third party was blamed. The person who they said made the decision (allegedly the corporate attorney who has since resigned) did not face me, to explain her reasons. I was not then and have not been offered a severance package.
I have been the victim of harassment and a hostile working environment brought about by my pointing out and reporting unethical, immoral and possibly illegal conduct sanctioned by my employer in the workplace and making other employees, and the authorities aware of such. These complaints were filed as both in house grievances, letters, memos, and meetings with supervisors and management over a period of nearly eight months.
I was rehired at SDP on November 26, 2001; I previously worked for the company from March 1991 – July 1992; and again in April 1995. A committee now makes the decision to rehire or not, based presumably on the previous employees past record of performance.
I was provided an employee manual at this time stating the terms and conditions as an employee of SDP as of that point in time. At some unknown, undetermined date after my hire, this manual was withdrawn and NO substitute was ever put in its place. One or two dress code updates were added to pay envelopes from time to time as well as information on insurance, vacation pay benefits, 401k items etc. We signed a form allowing the Quality Assurance Department to monitor our calls.
We were told in training this was for our protection in order too prevent customers from putting the company into legal trouble for things we didn’t say. We were also told this was for training purposes to help us improve our presentations and our sales techniques. I wondered at the time however, why there was no written criteria presented to us as to what the companies exact performance expectations were beyond the basic scripts and rebuttals. It was not a written requirement to say these verbatim except in the confirmation process for closers. In other words, no specific expectations or rules regarding calls we had to read and sign existed (apart from a very few guidelines regarding no call no mail policy and profanity in the Code of Ethics). I took them at their word at that point and let it go.
It would be months later that I would find out the truth about the actual scope and authority of the Quality Assurance Department. I also signed a copy of the aforementioned Code of Ethics agreeing to abide by it.
The company claims to have specific policy that it goes by in making disciplinary policy decisions, but employees do not have a copy of them. The reason employees do not have a copy of them is because they are not written down anywhere with the sole exception of the dress code and Code of Ethics (as I said, written in a general manner and open to wide interpretation in many instances). In fact, the “rules" are largely a matter of management whim, loosely interpreted by assistant supervisors, managers, and most importantly the Quality Assurance Department (hereinafter QD) I referenced. QD also has the authority to issue progressive disciplinary action on all telesales employees; this was not something emphasized in training. The “Blue Envelope" is a dreaded sight for telesales employees who can be given any form of discipline from a simple advisory to verbal warning to written warning to Level One to Level Two to termination depending on the violation and/or the whim of the Department Manager. Calls were randomly monitored by different QD employees with differing levels of highly questionable experience and ability on a random basis. I say highly questionable because most rank and file QD employees are failed SSR’s and Verifiers, in other words this was their last stop before a trip to the unemployment office. This random monitoring effects every telesales department, SSA, Verification, Customer Service, One Switch, etc. in the company.
On occasion employees would receive envelopes for between call comments that QD could not absolutely attribute to a specific employee because of microphone sensitivity. Not only does the company not have any potential liability risk on non-calls, but also on occasion the wrong employee would be disciplined or even fired for these arbitrary QD rulings. This is nothing more than eavesdropping. At the same time, you could also be disciplined for not saying things or omitting certain truths. For example in the script for the SSA’s it was written that the Sweepstakes is held primarily for major credit card holders when in fact the Sweepstakes is valid for anyone who calls in. The implication here of course, if not in words is that you have a better chance to win if you have a credit card. The obvious psychology is to encourage cardholders not to lie and thus avoid the sales pitch. The preferred customers for the magazine promotion are credit card holders whose cards we immediately go for if they pick magazines. A pay by check department also exists but this is the less desired route because of low collections and slow turnaround. The cancellation rebuttals are misleading and deceptive, but if you are caught not reciting them, or telling customers that they can cancel, you can be punished (except for OneSwitch, which is forced, by federal contract, to be honest). Callers are pushed into providing phone numbers, but it is not revealed that these will be sold and used for future telemarketing purposes by SDP and others. In all fairness though the company strictly maintains a no call, no mail policy when the customer is savvy enough to see through that smoke. QD is also used by Department Managers to weed out various “troublemakers" and “undesirables" at random by running “profiles" (selective harassment).
I too on several occasions came under the dubious scrutiny of QD. It was requested but not required in any disciplinary or counciling session that the employee sign the disciplinary form, if not necessarily to agree with but to acknowledge the situation, and that it had been addressed with the employee. In virtually every situation I was involved in I made it a policy not to sign, absent a written regulation I violated and/or proof that there was intent to deliberately mislead or maliciously defraud the company or customer. In no situation whatsoever was any written regulation produced. I would usually follow up these situations by filing an in house grievance for the Blue Envelope or counciling, again requesting justification. No justification or regulation was EVER provided, because none of these grievances were ever formally addressed. In many instances, since August 2002, I spoke to management regarding QD’s abuse of authority. When I would point out that many of these corporate irregularities may violate the law and may feel compelled to seek assistance from a public agency, it was plainly stated that this would have a negative impact on my career and longevity with the company. When I was in the R & D (Research and Development) Department certain disciplinary actions were reviewed and removed from my file as unjustifiable. A particular Manager in that Department told me that if I withdrew my grievances, not file any more, and not “make waves" while in R & D, I would not be troubled by QD again. He kept his word during that period. When I transferred out of R&D and went back to OneSwitch in March 2003, the QD harassment began again. In a routine meeting with the then current Manager of OneSwitch and a Supervisor of OneSwitch, I was told that I could be again in QD’s sights now that I was out of R&D. I told them both that QD needed to back up its decisions with facts. I said that I would tolerate no further harassment unless QD could prove I violated a documented rule or demonstrated a deliberate attempt to defraud and would take real action if I was bothered again without just cause.
Predictably, I was profiled and I received two more unjustifiable Blue Envelopes in OneSwitch (on March 27) and finally had been harassed enough. At this moment, I concluded that at the time of my re-employment, the company had concealed pertinent facts regarding company practices, which may have had, at the time a bearing over whether or not I would choose to come back. When they did not replace the Employee Manual, a total void was left except for sexual harassment, dress codes, and the equally weighty issue of spill-proof cups rules for which policy was re-issued in writing. This constituted a fundamental change in the hiring conditions. These oppressive conditions did not exist in 1991 or 1995 when I had also worked for the company. The company had lost all respect for its employees. I prepared a memo revoking QD’s permission to randomly monitor my pre-sale calls for the purposes of profiling, but not managers or supervisors in the ordinary duties or the Sales Auditing Department who’s responsibility it is to insure Federal TSR laws are obeyed. One of the Directors asked me if I would withdraw the grievance. I told him I would if he would investigate and withdraw the envelopes and Level One by April 2. He accepted my condition and said he would look into the matter ASAP and would get back to me no later than April 2. I told him if he needed more time I would extend my deadline, he said April 2nd was time enough. I reminded him that in no instance when I filed grievances against QD were any of my points addressed, or even acknowledged. This told me that the company had something to hide. He told me that he wanted us to work together to fix this problem in the company. He said this to me in front of two witnesses. I told that Director that as a company Director, he was perfectly capable of fixing any problem that needed fixing with or without my participation. That Director, did not at that time; indicate that my job would be ended if I went through with my promise to revoke my signature with QD, although he then had a copy of it in his hands. On Monday, March 31, the Director asked me if I had withdrawn my grievance. I asked him if the Blue Envelopes and Level One had been reviewed and withdrawn, he said he hadn’t gotten to it yet, I said he had to my deadline and if he kept his word to me I would not take further action, he agreed to hurry.
By the afternoon of April 2, he had not fulfilled his promise and I gave the memo of April 2 to the Director of H.R. shortly after 1PM. Shortly after 2PM, Director #1 came to me at my workstation requesting a meeting. We met in a private office; the Director of H.R. was also in attendance. Director #1 said that he was “under instructions from the legal department to “separate" employment, because without QD’s ability to monitor my calls he couldn’t “protect" the company". When I asked, “protect the company from what?" he would not respond. I pointed out that I restricted QD only, but again, not managers or supervisors in the ordinary duties or the Sales Auditing Department who has a clear legal mandate and purpose. All he said was again he was “under instructions from the legal department to separate employment". When I pointed out that I had offered to withdraw the memo if he kept his word, he apologized and said he had been too busy on other projects and it was too late. I pointed out he had made the offer himself without any prompting from me. I asked him point blank three times, if I was being set up and actually fired for asserting my rights in the workplace and accusing the company of illegal sales practices and threatening to turn the company in. His response was the same mantra. My Security badge was collected and I was escorted off site by the Director who apologized to me repeatedly and said he had no choice. I told him that I thought he did, but he chose not to take it.
My long standing complaint is that Special Data Processing Corporation has no written rules or guidelines for its employees to follow as pertains to any activity that QD can discipline the employee for. This is not hair-splitting, semantics, or my personal crusade, it is VERY significant. I will give you two examples of what I am talking about: you can be disciplined up to termination for “badgering" a customer, but no definition exists anywhere as to what constitutes “badgering". In a sales organization, where does “salesmanship" and “closing the deal" end and “badgering" begin? Is the definition different for an SSA, a Verifier, or a One-Switch representative? Another, even more serious example: Pennsylvania, for example, is one of about nine or ten “no rebuttal states". This means that the Telemarketing Laws in those states are written in such a way that if a potential customer says “No" at any point of the presentation to the salesperson, they are required by that states law to warm close them and say good-bye. No rebuttal states are not mentioned or referenced in any training, script, or sales document that I have ever seen at SDP. If a sales representative is being monitored by QD and not rebuttaling a Pennsylvania caller they could be written up, given a Level, or terminated. Telesales jobs are safe at SDP if employees violate the laws of other states that management deems as inconvenient or non-profitable. Employees aren’t informed of such state laws, unless SDP is caught and fined by that state. I will not follow rules or regulations that are illegal or immoral, written or not. That is not employee misconduct, it is employer misconduct. The State of Oregon caught up with SDP and levied a stiff fine. Since April 2, I have personally made the Attorney General of Pennsylvania and many other states aware of these and other possible irregularities. Several of these states are now conducting their own investigations.
My complaints were never answered, except with unwritten, vague promises of future action. I was threatened with termination if I made my complaints public. This was the real reason I was “separated". My April 2nd memo was the reason they used to attempt to give the termination an aura of legitimacy.
Since my departure, the blue envelopes are now red, and an internal movement to organize a labor Union (Communications Workers of America) within the company has begun. The rank and file within SDP are also disgusted, their pay is constantly cut the benefits are a joke and their treatment is as you have read, horrendous. The success of the Union within SDP should help clean up their act.
Incidentally, “Pat Haines" is not just a marketing name the company uses. She was one of the co-founders of the company along with her son Randy and William H. (Bill) Hood, III. She gave the company permission to use her name on the mailers for a fee. I was a member of her SSA team when I initially joined the company in 1991.
C. D. – Palm Harbor, Florida
CORPORATE INFORMATION:
Special Data Processing Corporation (D.B.A. National Magazine Exchange, D.B.A. OneSwitch)
16120 US Highway 19 North
Clearwater, FL 33764
Telephone: 727-535-0205
ITS ALL A LIE
you people need to quit lieing everything done there is fully legal its pretty sad you people have nothing better do then to sit around and bad mouth somehting you know nothing about i am currently employed there dont you think it would be kinda hard to stay in buissness for close to 20 years if it was all just a gimmick it is a true swwep stakes done every other year winners are drawn on dec 31st of that year and notified by certified mail and or a phone call and there is never any purchase or payment required to enter or win any of the sweepstakes everythin is explained to you when buying the magazines and if your to stupid to understand it then its your own fault lol
its not a rip off
you people call in we awnser its that simple you dont have to buy mags its up to u they are a $1.29 a week i resve them and its a good deal if u like them i got no prob with it if you get them great we have to work to you un gratful basterds
you actually think people want these worthless subscriptions
I can guess why you still work there Brenden. Just look at your spelling. Maybe it's not your fault for being uneducated. You believe the crap your supervisors tell you, and you actually think people want these worthless subscriptions. All I can say is good luck to you, and continue to live in your box.
They need suckers and patsy's like you to justify their immorality.
If you love it so much...Then thank Bill the next time your productivity or Schedule Adherence is off by 30 seconds and you are reduced in pay to $7.00 per hour. They need suckers and patsy's like you to justify their immorality. Fortunately the vast majority of your co-workers disagree which is why you will soon have Union representation to look out for your best interests.
Remember, no purchase or payment is required to enter the sweepstakes...
good deal? are you a complete idiot?
where do you get off thinking $1.29 per week which is now .99 cents per week a good deal? most of the company subsriptions purchased directly from the magazine are only monthly magazines and can be had for $12-19$ per year. do the math.
sure they claim you can get 4 magazines for that .99 cents per week and then if you say no they give you 5 but who actually gets 5 subscriptions and gets billed the correct amount? maybe if you get 5 weekly magazines , rolling stone, time, or whatever. this is just as bad as those 30 year old 'kids' trying to win trips coming and knocking door to door without license to do so. in most cities this is trespassing.
this oneswitch company is promoted by the USPS with a statement like 'at no cost to you' do they even forward your information to your magazines? they claim it takes 8-10 weeks. I can just call the magazine myself and give them my new address and take only by next issue.
Just plain absent minded, or stupid
I work in the billing department of the national magazine exchange. The company does have a very rigid code of ethics policy. Every customer is told: they did not win the sweepstakes and when the drawing is, the magazines are not free (but 1.29 a week or whatever the rate may be at the time), and exactly how much they will be billed if they accept the magazine offer.
Anyone who says they were misinformed on the offer is one of two things- oblivious, or stupid. If you don't think it is a good deal then don't buy them, it is that simple. Nobody is making you. You still get entered into the strike it rich sweepstakes if don't buy the magazines.
Also, the person who called to find out when they would receive their check is quite honestly a moron. Everyone knows to read the fine print. When you go to buy a car and you are looking in the Sunday paper for all the deals, do you think you are really going to buy that brand new car for the price in the ad? The answer is NO! Nowhere on the mail piece does it say that you have won the sweepstakes.
Nobody is making you pick up the phone and call, but if you want a slim chance at winning a million dollars for doing nothing, then call. In closing, I wouldn't work for an unethical company. Those that feel they were ripped off, are the type of people that ask for a price check at the dollar store (just plain absent minded folks). God Bless
You just proved everyone's point -- NME is a rip off and always will be
Unbelievable! You do realize that an “Absent Minded person" is one who forgets things or simply opens their mouth before thinking. Oh, that was you! You have proved everyone else's point. NME is a rip off and always will be a rip off. They will be shut down sooner or later. You don't work for an unethical company, HA! You do realize they have been under investigation, they are listed with the FTC's biggest scams and numerous civil and government lawsuits have been filed in the last 6 plus years???
Your ego is far to big for you. If you think for one minute that this company is ethical, then you would be that moron you want people to believe is someone else. You and maybe one other employee will defend NME, why is that? Hundreds of other employees and former employees have busted on them.
But keep going, think what you want. However, don't call these victims and people helping to stop these kinds of companies “Stupid" when yourself sticking up for a company like this, only shows you stupidity.
Being sneaky ,devious, and NOT up front with the customer equals unethical
If this is an ethical company,than they would be honest and upfront on thier sweepstakes junkmail notification. It would say in essence ,' WE ARE SELLING MAGAZINES ', plus an entry in a sweepstakes.
And they would put it in bold easy to read wording. Instead they make no mention of thier real purpose. Being childishly sneaky and deceptive in thier advertising, and not telling you thier real intentions, reeks of deceit.
Who, with any common sense ,would want to hand over thier money to a company using those kind of tactics? If a company cant be totally honest and upfront with thier customers all the time,than avoid them like a disease.
STEP CORRECT PEOPLE !
For 1. Very interesting information! I'm impressed! Gimme a break. You must have brown eyes, don't you? Because your full of $h*t! You think that throwing around words you learned off of 'law and order' proves a point? You are sadly mistaken 'judge moody'! Prove your imaginary slanderous claims! STEP CORRECT
For 2. Um duh duh duh, there's really not much to say to you, except get some new glasses or maybe a magnifying glass if all else fails! The mail piece clearly tells you when the drawing is, and that we are going to offer you magazines! PLEASE STEP CORRECT
Once AGAIN, you have proven everyone's point!
Words thrown around from 'Law & Order,' you really area an idiot! I hold a degree in Paralegal studies, you? Exactly.
You've once again proven everyone else's point. You keep coming back digging yourself and this 'Company,' deeper and deeper. the fact of the matter is NME has been busted on numerous occassions, lawsuits have been filed and you just can't handle the fact that you're sticking up for someone that everyone else has seen through.
By the way, I am holding a copy of one of your fake Sweepstakes Winner papers, it does not display such. Again, you're digging!
To John from Largo, who the heck is Pat Haines please.
Hooray for National Magazine Exchange. It must have been a real coup for them when they snagged you,John from Largo,to come work for them.The way you are quick to defend the integrity of your employer by putting dumbasses in thier place,who post on the evil Rippoff Report, is admirable.
Dedicated employees are hard to come by,and you would certainly have my vote for employee of the month.When you said,in your own words that I'm, 'full of sh*t', quote unquote, I could just imagine your face turing beet red, the veins bulging in your neck, and your fists balled up tightly .
'No Rippoff Rebutal meanie is going to question my sacred companies integrity,by golly,and get off scotfree .Not without me calling them 4 letter names.That'll teach em.'. If I called potential customers of the place where I work 4 letter names, I might be fired, but the fierce way you defend your company will certainly override that in your case. I'm sure you are totally in the right, while I'm totally in the wrong.
But I have one issue,my Florida friend ,if you would kindly adress,to this dumb hick from Iowa. I think the junk mail letter I recieved has touches of deception in it. Mainly, Is Pat Haines working as a sales rep in your building.
What is Pat Haines current job duties. What desk does Pat Haines sit at.
If I called the phone number provided and ask for Pat Haines personally, could I talk to Pat Haines.
Or are the Tampa Bay DevilRays chances of becoming baseballs next powerhouse dynasty better than my chances of talking to Pat Haines about my 1,000,000 dollars.Is Pat Haines a DevilRays fan for that matter.
What?, there is no Pat Haines to talk to when I call. Okay. Well what about the quote on the letter, We are trying to reach you in regards to your 1,000,000 dollar sweepstakes ID #,etc.
Who is the 'We' that personally has been trying to reach me.Give me thier names please. If they have been trying to reach me,well then how many times before. Via phone,emails,or what?. Please document how may times they have been trying to contact me, dates, times, and by what means.
What is the real truthful reason they dont have the guts to mention they are selling magazine subscriptions right next to that sentence on the front, but put it on the back instead. Thank you kindly for your time, John from Largo. You'll have to clue me in on who Judge Moody is though, I dont watch Law and Order, but if Judge Moody is an honest Judge, I'll take that as a compliment when you call me Judge Moody.
Let your good work in the rewarding occupation of Magazine Exchange Billing Department Employee carry on. And if you bump into Pat Haines by the water cooler sometime on your break, give Pat my regards. Go Marlins.
Want to stop NME, first DON'T CALL!!!
To re introduce myself I worked for NME on and off since 1991, and have watched it slide down the tubes during that period. I was fired after spending almost a year trying to get them to clean up their act, and finally 'blowing the whistle' on them with state and federal authorities.
The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do turn. It is my intention to clean them up, or bring them down. Those of you who have complained about this company on the 105+ different listings should be applauded. The downside however is WHY the company 'gets away with it'. There is no such thing as something for nothing ladies and gentlemen.
The company sends out over a million of those mailers a week, playing on peoples basic GREED. Their rate of return is a little over 1% which is about average for mass mailings. Of that 1% the company shoots for about a 6% sales conversion. Do the math, there is money in them books, particularly since the company only promotes low or zero 'remit' magazines.
There has not been a sweepstakes since the beginning of time that was not tied into a sales promotion of some sort. Some one has to win the drawing BY FEDERAL LAW, the last award was March 2, 2004. The sweepstakes are sponsored by Ventura and Associates out of New York City.
It is in the form of an annuity paid out in a greatly reduced lump sum amount or installment payments over 30 years. Your odds of winning are about one in forty-nine million, in other words you have a better chance of being whacked on the head by an asteroid in your driveway.
They continue to exist because intellegent men and women such as yourselves desperately want to believe in 'free lunches', Santa Claus and reward without effort. You ALLOW them to continue to exist by stowing away your natural skepticisim and believing in fairy tales. Is their wording deceptive? Essentially, yes, but if people actually read the words on the mailers without coating them with fairy dust and with what they want to read, the answer is no. The fact that 'Pat Haines' signs off as a 'Sales Representative' should provide a BIG clue.
Want to stop them? If you have been scamed such as April has, file a complaint with your attorney general's office in your state. Wire fraud is a felony. Otherwise THROW AWAY THE MAILER AS THE JUNK MAIL IT IS. There is no Santa, life sucks that way. Or call, give them the ID number, make sure you tell them to put you in the 'no call, no mail' file and hang the hell up, that puts you in the sweepstakes.
Russ, 'Pat (Patricia) Haines' was one of the company co-founders back in 1984, long since retired. She leases her name to the company for a nominal fee for use on the mailers. Using a real person, keeps the company on the EDGE of legality, something they specialize in.
The employees are deliberatly kept in the dark regarding the TSR laws and management prefers to hire sycophants like John on the lower end of the IQ scale. They operate on the fear of losing their jobs and will believe anything their masters tell them just to curry favor. Fortunately the 'John's' are still very much a minority.
There are notable exceptions, who are trying to organize the workforce. I will tell you from first hand experience that they treat their employees with even greater contempt than their customers, the average employee lasts only 42 days. Saves them a bunch of money on benefits. They run half page ads in the Sunday edition of the St. Petersburg Times almost every week. What does that say about their stability?
Want to know more? Visit their website specialdata.com. You can even email them. When you do, tell them Chuck DeNova says 'Hi'.
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There isn't really any need to be so childish about this.
The problem most peopl have with NME is that they don't really listen to the pitch, or they don't really read the mail piece.
On the mailer it states:
'You have been pre-selected to recieve magazine subscriptions on credit'
Along with the offical rules, mathod of payment (for those who say you don't win $1,000,000.. $33,333.33 x 30yrs= 1 Million!)
When you call in, one of the very first things out of an SSA's mouth is 'As always, there is NO purchase OR payment required to enter OR win any of the sweepstakes we offer' Call in and ask for a manual entry, and see if I'm not correct.
I'm seeing that most of the problems people are having with this company is that they don't like being charged for their subscriptions. You have to read off your CREDIT CARD NUMBER over the PHONE in order to be charged.
That's 15 DIGITS! If you don't want the magazines, guess what? HANG UP! People do it ALL THE TIME! Before we ever pitch you magazines we make SURE your entry into the sweepstakes is COMPLETE and REGISTERED.
As per being 'taken off the list' I have seen 4 people fired ON THE SPT for failing to do that. They know that they've had problems with employees not puting customers on the No Call/No Mail list. That's the whole reason the QD department exsists, to make sure thigns like that on't happen. But you can't blame the company for the misdeeds of a singular employee.
There's also the possibility that your name could be on multiple mailing lists. NME is only half of SDP, the other half is the National List Exchange. Guess what they do? Buy and sell mailing lists! If you don't want to be sent letters like this, don't want to recieve unsolicited phone calls, firt put your name on the 'Natonal Do Not Call List.' Secondly, Whenever you put your information on ANYTHING, be it a membership to a gym, video store, etc. They are REQUIRED to have a checkbox, SOMETHING on there, that says they won't sell your information to ANY OTHER COMPANY. Make sure you fill that out, and you won't have the problem in the first place.
Oh and also, if this is such a scam, why don't I make more sales? I take between 70-80 calls a day, and I get maybe 5-6 sales, and that's a GOOD day. Most people who call in are entered, say no to the magazines, and hang up or go to one of our sister departments/companys (The latest being Geico). The majority of people who BUY the magazines are the peple who have the money to do it, and REALIZE what they're getting in to. You CAN cancel, but a lot of that is per state laws, which I don't know that much about. But when you call in to cancel and meet resistance, don't be surprised. For God's sake its these peoples JOB to get money from you. We don't want to give it back after you've already said yes 5 TIMES to the magazines. If you really wanted to cancel, just be firm. Guess what? we're required by law to do it in most states if you ask, so just deal with the rebuttles and get your money back.
Some words of wisdom...
I'm only responding to this because I just received a notice in the mail myself today and wanted to investigate it further. While it may be true that this company's tactics are quite shady, I think the real problem lies in a personal lack of responsibility. People make a mistake (e.g. giving out their credit card number to a company they've never heard of) then...surprise, surprise...they get ripped off so they get mad (more like embarresed because they actually fell for it)...they blame someone else.
I think the notice actually states quite clearly that I didn't actually win a million dollars but that I MAY have a chance at it:
Top Right section:
Notice -
One prize of $1,000,000 will be awarded to the SELECTED winner...
There is no purchase required to ENTER or WIN...
Granted, I don't believe that Pat Haines exists nor do I believe that they've really been trying to reach me. But again, I also DON'T believe that this notice says I've already won a million dollars. As someone else mentioned, why would I want to order magazines through this company that I've never heard of when I can get better prices through more recognized, established companies?
Bottom line points:
1: If it looks to good to be true, it probably is
2: When in doubt about the legitimacy of something DO NOT give out your credit card number and THEN complain that you got ripped off. I have bought countless numbers of things via the internet and over the phone, but I ALWAYS know who I'm talking to first. If you are willing to give out your credit card to a company you've never heard of because you think it will give you a better chance of winning a fictious grand prize...you deserve to be scammed. This isn't the same as someone stealing your identitiy by hacking into your information at some company. YOU really are the one in control. Don't give out all your info first and ask questions/complain later. When you get the letter, just throw the stupid thing away!! It really is that easy, folks.
Rus, We do GUARANTEE the lowest prices
Hey.
We do GUARANTEE the lowest prices, so if you were to get magazines, and find a low rate [Good Luck ;) ] we'd adjust your account.
Pat Haines is a real person, albeit she wasn't trying to reach you, but she leased her name to the company. So now Pat Haines is a marketing name our company uses.
And dont throw it away rus! Call and enter declin the magazines, if you get selected ;), and take the free chance to win, worse thing to happen: YOU WIN!
Thx!
No Credit Card Required
You don't have to have a credit card to be on their mailing list. I have no credit cards at all and have received this silly mailer.
What bothers me about this mailer is the fact that they've already got your information and they've checked your credit report. They've stated that quite plainly on the back of it.
'Based on your consumer report and because you meet our credit criteria, YOU HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO RECEIVE OUR MAGAZINE OFFER ON CREDIT.' (emphasis in the original).
The worst part is, they check all three of the major credit reporting agencies. This does affect your credit, as every time someone accesses your credit it shows up on your credit report. But there is a way to get out of pre-selecting lists. Have your name removed for those lists for each company.
Here are their websites:
TransUnion: http://www.transunion.com
Equifax: http://www.equifax.com
Experian: http://www.experian.com
There's contact info on the mailer for this company, but I don't trust it one iota. So if you go to these sites, you can get their contact info directly from them.
NME(National Magazine Exchange) is only in 'business' for one thing-to steal your credit card or bank number.
I got a postcard from NME. I remember it well. I called to see what the con was all about. Naturally, I knew it was a con. They had this nonsense about winning millions of dollars on the card. That's never for real.
Anyway, they ask me if I want to buy magazines. So, of course I say sure. The problem is that they need a credit card number or a bank account number. I claimed that I didn't have either. There's the con: Steal your number and bill your account. It's take the money and run. Magazines have nothing to do with it.
This is a big company with lots of different phone people. They sit there all day trying to get stupid people to give out financial info. These days a number gives access to all your money. The crazy part is that this goes on year in and year out. Outright theft!
The victims are little people who can't stop it. And law enforcement looks the other way. It's getting so bad that every other company is an Enron these days. One half of the world spends their days trying to cheat the other half out of their money. Hell, our own government is nothing but crooks and swindlers too.
I'm telling ya, I really don't have much hope for this planet continuing on much longer.
Wow Paul thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
Next time to fill out your on report done rebuttal, its called following directions.
And that story is the funniest thing I have ever heard. We sell more that 1000+ Magazine packages a day, and you have to pay for them some how...
Again too, we have been in business for over 20 years now. So I'm 100% sure that the company is legit :)
Dont forget to vote for something on Nov.2, 2004.
And Paul if its that bad in the US for you move, or do something about it :)
Submitted: 9/24/2004 10:33:02 AM
Modified: 9/26/2004 12:34:52 AM
Benji
New Port Richey, FloridaU.S.A.
employee ACTUALLY defending
WOW.. pretty much sums it up. I came across this site because i was bored one day and noticed its mostly ex employees complaining about the job so i figured i would be one of the first employees to defend it. I worked for NME while going to college then i got my CISA degree and took off for the working world. i have been working there for 7 years and i do admit there is a few billing issues with the company that could be done better. I have to say i do not feel the company is a scam. The Mailer clearly states you did not win and you have been selected to recieve magazines. It may not be right up front in bold but no sweepstakes does (publishers clearing house, all the pop ups to win that free dvd player) these are all eye candy to get you to actually pay attention to the offer. Its just another commercial. And asking who pat haines is the person on the phone even tells you 'that is just a marketing name the company uses' when was the last time tony the tiger called you about your frosted flakes? I know mr peanut hasn't returned my calls how about you?. i do appreciate an actual 'customer' sort of defending the company the whole script IS ON THE MAILER. the only thing not on it is the price and that is because the price changes almost weekly based on how much they are making the company pay for the magazines. As for the employees complaining about getting fired or missing scheduled adherence, you only get fired for misleading the customer and scheduled adherence is 80% of your schedule that equals 1 full day a week if you miss that in any other job do you think you are getting a raise? The company is not sales oriented no matter how much you want to believe it. Yes that is where the money is but they prefer to stay in business for the long run that rip off Grandma Gerty for just one year of business. In fact most of the 'spiff' awards are not for selling they are for actually explaining the offer correctly reguardless if you are the top sales person. I ,in fact, won 500 dollars just for NOT selling to a person that understood they are entering a sweepstakes but i do have to explain the magazine offer. Remember folks you have the power to say no and not give out information. And as an ex employee i do have to appoligize on behalf of the employees that defend the company by calling people names but like any other company there will be an apple or two that think that is the way to put the point across.
Business is down, the damage is done, so deny all you like.
People come here and read about National Magazine. Maybe they had a suspicion before, but now they know for sure your company is a fraud.
Plus, they see all the other magazine fraud around Clearwater.
Once somebody comes here, you couldn't get them to call National even if you did give them the million.
Business could be down as much as 25%. That's millions in losses. Plus, law-enforcement gets to see the sheer volume of complaints. It stirs up that hornet's nest.
Hope you guys don't get stung!
Of course you employees don't realize that your company is a fraud. How would you? You guys certainly aren't getting any of the money.
All the big bucks, along with the knowledge of how the company works, always stays at the top.
You guys are at the bottom, in the dark.
So, by all means, you stick with your magazine company. It's either that or a fast-food job. Not much else will hire you!
Submitted: 9/28/2004 8:12:49 PM
Modified: 9/28/2004 11:37:27 PM
Teresa
Washington, District of ColumbiaU.S.A.
So.... for the defenders of this company...Now whatcha gotta say??
I have enjoyed reading your comments and I am very happy that I found this website. I will not be calling. I was about to leave this site without leaving a comment when I ran across the following that I thought would be a good addition to the information here.
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Wednesday June 6, 3:24 pm Eastern Time
Press Release
SOURCE: AARP Foundation
AARP Foundation Lawyers Represent Victims of Magazine Sweepstakes Promoter
SAN JOSE, Calif., June 6 /PRNewswire/ -- On June 5, AARP Foundation lawyers joined attorneys with the San Francisco law firm Kemnitzer, Anderson, Barron & Ogilvie, LLP and the East San Jose Community Law Center, a project of Santa Clara University, in filing a lawsuit against National Magazine Exchange (NME), a leading magazine seller and sweepstakes promoter. The suit was filed on behalf of a class of consumers who were misled by Florida-based NME into buying multi-year magazine subscriptions. Plaintiffs allege that NME violated California law by sending fraudulent and deceptive sweepstakes notifications to thousands of California residents.
According to the lawsuit, NME sent unsolicited mail telling consumers to call a toll-free telephone number to receive information about the status of what NME said was their entry into a sweepstakes. When consumers responded, NME used high-pressure sales tactics to sell them magazine subscriptions. One of the problems, according to AARP Foundation attorney Deborah Zuckerman, is that consumers thought they were buying a low-priced, one-year subscription that they could cancel at any time. In fact, NME unilaterally signed them up for multi-year subscriptions that typically cost hundreds of dollars. ''When people starting receiving bills and realized what NME had done, they called to cancel,'' says Zuckerman, ''but NME refused, saying it was too late. In some instances, NME turned their accounts over to a collection agency. We are charging that the manner in which NME solicited customers and sold subscriptions violates California law.''
With recent private lawsuits and public enforcement actions against Publishers Clearing House and American Family Publishers for misleading sales promotions, public awareness of sweepstakes tied to magazine sales is at an all time high. In this case, AARP Foundation attorneys became involved because victims of these kinds of tactics often are over the age of fifty. ''Apparently NME and similar companies see older people as easy targets,'' says Stacy Canan, another Foundation attorney representing the plaintiffs. ''We want to stop these misleading and illegal practices, and to help victims recoup the money they were misled into spending.''
The Community Law Center and the Kemnitzer law firm decided to initiate the suit after Center attorney Scott Maurer received complaints from several consumers and NME refused to accept the written demands for cancellation prepared by Center law students on behalf of the consumers. Maurer says he's glad to have AARP Foundation attorneys as co-counsel. ''We really appreciate them getting behind this lawsuit. I think we have a strong common interest in the public good, and I'm pleased that the AARP Foundation has put its resources behind this effort.''
SOURCE: AARP Foundation
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So.... for the defenders of this company...Now whatcha gotta say?? ??????????
I got my letter from Pat Hines today and ripped it to shreads.
Business fraud is profitable. Very profitable!
Here's how this will play out.
There is money in fraud. Big money!
One of the employees above states that National Magazine has been in business for 20 years. I don't doubt that.
Typically, these suits are resolved with civil penalties. Did you steal $100 million? Now, you have to pay $20 of it back. That still leaves $80 million. A good haul, in anyone's eyes.
Even if the company is driven out of business, the principals are always left free. To mutate into another fraud. Maybe even more profitable than the last!
The real problem is law-enforcement policy makers are idiots. They continue to send drug dealers to jail for many years. The send armed robbers to jail for even longer.
But, the frauds, while non-violent, continue to extract far more money than dealers or robbers ever do.
Don't misunderstand. I'm not suggesting that we allow robbers to get off free. I am suggesting that the principals in a fraudulent company be placed right beside the armed robbers and drug dealers. Perhaps, in the same cell with convicted rapists.
Business fraud is profitable. Very profitable! When you have the possibility of getting very rich, with little or no possibility of criminal prosecution, it's little wonder that many individuals continue to turn to this lucrative form of income.
Submitted: 9/29/2004 7:13:02 AM
Modified: 9/29/2004 11:52:48 PM
Benji
New Port Richey, FloridaU.S.A.
this is 'whatcha gotta say' A lawsuit is a lawsuit, walmart gets sued every day
A lawsuit is a lawsuit walmart gets sued every day for something stupid yet they haven't lost a case yet. mcdonalds gets sued for someone spilling coffee on themselves. there are class action suits against the stinking IRS.
I can go on but the main point is lawsuits are happening everyday by the same 'get rich quick people' that refuse to read anything but the money part. only problem is they are PENDING. when a suit is actually won please place that in the report.
And for this company being arrested. You only get arrested for breaking the law. as soon as there is a law that is broken i guarantee that jail house rock would be your hold music.
And for ripping off old people. When i was there the old people were the hardest sell how the hell can you 'rip' someone off that is not wanting to buy anything because they have too many magazines or on a budget. The main type of people that bought were college students or retirees that actually had time to read them.
good ole miriam webster says fraud: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting
there is no deceiving or misrepresenting that i have seen on any post yet. The main REAL concern is the canceling issue which i do agree on. the problem is they know each state law when your period of time to cancel expires. Which again THEY KNOW THE LAW so they aren't going to break it.
Benji, get it right
Sorry Benji, Your rebuttal was most funny. You don't rip off the olderly, yet the 'retirees' are one of your biggest sellers. What?
Next, law suits are law suits, yet those against NME are just pending so they don't prove anything. Nope, numerous civil and criminal suits have been on NME and NME has LOST. Hello, just look NME up on the web searches. Busted.
NME isn't a scam, yeh right! You blame people for not reading the writing. I have the stupid little, get it every other month, telegram from NME, No where on there is there any writing about the pay 10X's as much scam. You bill people $749+ for 3 magazines, yet you tell them that two are free. Amazing, someone must not be able to add. I've have requested by phone and by letter for NME to stop sending me this junk mail, because I know better. Do you think that's stopped. You know what the 'Do not call list is?' Then you should know that there is a 'Do not mail list.' I am on this list, so NME mailing me solicited mail makes that action illegal.
So, you were saying? By the way NME is on the top 5 scams in America by the FTC. Again, you were saying? Like I've said previously, if these Ex-employees and current employees are too blind or just plain stupid to see the truth about NME, then when NME goes down, I have no pitty for these poeple.
Next tme you want to make an arguement, Make sure you get your facts straight first.
Awareness, you are still only a company apologist
Benji;
As articulate as you are in your own right, you are still only a company apologist. If you are a verifier Benji, at what point do you give the total dollar figure to the customer for a four year service Benji? Do you know how many states are 'no rebuttal' states Benji? Of that number, in which of them does SDP obey the law? Do you know in how many states you are supposed to register as telemarketers in Benji? Do you know the amount of the bond the company is supposed to post? Do you know why you can't sell in Oregon, Benji? Do you know about the huge