Income Builders International False Promises and Scams Beyond Belief New Port Richey, Florida

I am not rebutted the complaint. I feel for this person. I too dealt with this company and I agree that you are kind of scammed. Yes there are some successes but you have to be able to do the scammy thing to get folks to invest in your company and not deliver.

I wanted to believe in this organziation and  Bernie is  a very smooth operator. I did the deal I helped folks with their business etc. Many were only interested in my giving them money. I was raised to be honest and I could not take money from people unless I knew that the investement would have high percentage of paying back. They tried to teach people to fund-bust to get funds to go to the conferance. THe conferance will be wonderful and you meet great people but in the end you are left in the dust holding the bag. I went into great debt trying to follow by WOW. WOW was I dupped. 

Many fall away and think they are the failires. I think the dream of IBI is great but I would beware.

I still have dream of building my own business but we really need to know that it takes time and hard work.

I do not think they started all the comments listed in one of the rebuttals. The Oprah Winfrey Show was started in the mid 1980s. IBI started in 1991 to be precise. Some of those company's might be made their but I think many had the business already going and it got taken to the next level.

My comment has NOT been rebutted, because it is true.  Bernie has paid less than 6% of the court ordered restitution over the past 20 years.  Man of integrity?  Not in my opinion.

566Dave or Dan,

Perhaps if you were to actually do your homework and pull the history of the company, you might find that this company did hold their forums in L.A., it DOES cost $6,000 and your list of 'accuracy' is very laughable.

You think you are telling them all the FACTS.  Check your FACTS.

The list you boast of successes is a list of folks who had already created those items before going to IBI/CEOspace.  CEOspace has no claim to any of those items.

CEOspace did not derive PrePaid Legal or Isagenix (learn to spell names if you plan to use them), and more than half your list is not their claim to fame.

All I can say is, "WOW! You drank too much Kool-Aid."

Let me see....
Former SEC Prosecutors, Former SEC Chairman and Deputies, Former SEC Investigators - all members.
Lead Integrity Expert - Also a member of CEO Space and on Faculty.
25 Years of history with no legit complaints.
Thousands of hours of video testimony on their sites and many by big-name CEOs as well as smaller companies who certainly have something at stake w/r/t reputation.
25-year track record of success.
now this:  

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhall/2013/01/17/must-attend-2013-conferences-for-entrepreneurs/ 

Seems to be the only scam here is the above anonymous, "complaint".

No issue here.   Move along.

Bernie was convicted as stated by another. He spent time (finally) in prison. I think it was 27 months. He was ordered to pay $1,034,000 in restitution to his victims, many years ago. This man of "integrity" has only paid 5.6% of the amount due. Yes, he still owes almost a million dollars to his many victims. My father was one of his victims, but he died almost twenty years ago. No interest is accumulating to the victims or he would owe MUCH more.

Men of integrity own up to their mistakes AND pay the consequences. His defenders claim that he is very successful. If so, he is a shyster. If he does not have the money to pay his victims, he is not successful! Your choice: which is he?

I am working with my Congressman to determine why the US Justice Dept. and the US Attorney are not making a better effort to collect this money.

"Berny" Dohrmann, the founder of IBI and CEO Space, has a long history of illegal fraud and deception.  In 1975 he was convicted of securities fraud and went to jail for his role in U.S. Tank Car Corp., which sold nonexistent rail cars to investors.   He served time in 1978 for fraud relating to diamond sales and in 1995 he was convicted on 16 counts of criminal contempt in connection with his defunct financial planning firm,  Invest America.

"Berny" Dohrmann, the founder of IBI and CEO Space, has a long history of illegal fraud and deception.  In 1975 he was convicted of securities fraud and went to jail for his role in U.S. Tank Car Corp., which sold nonexistent rail cars to investors.   He served time in 1978 for fraud relating to diamond sales and in 1995 he was convicted on 16 counts of criminal contempt in connection with his defunct financial planning firm,  Invest America.

I'm defendant because they do follow through on their word.

CEO Space is the most high-integrity organization most will ever know.

That's not me speaking, there are many unpaid and unsolicited celebrities, high-powered CEOs and VIPs who state this.  Would they put their reputations on the line if it weren't so?

Even in this video which features America's most recognized authority on Integrity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRgoVAnSAgE&feature=youtu.be

You are simply on a fishing expedition and it's blowing up in your face.

I feel sorry for you.

I'd offer to help you, but you seem entrenched in your wanting to cause damage where you cannot.

Please don't rebuttal unless you reread my first filing. I would think you would be "responsible" enough to do so since you are so adamantly a defendant of CEO Space. You have obviously missed the point that they make great promises and then don't follow through with their word.

My restaurant was very successful while operating, and continued to do so until after expending multiple amounts of energy and financial resources into the "promise" IBI would stand beside us until our franchise was developed. We worked diligently with IFranchise, after discovering by ourselves that Mr. Dohrmann's direct connection with FranCorp was involved in FBI investigations for fraudulent business activities.

IBI verbally committed to assist us personally with raising capital, and never once introduced us to any financial financial resources, in house or out. In fact, the majority of business people attending the forums were seeking funding, not providing nor even searching for potential investments. And, I'll add to that the people on our "home team" were all faced with the same situation.

I am not stating or denying that a very small percentage of the attendees at CEO Space might obtain fulfillment through CEO Space.

I am saying that if as many businesses succeed as what the founder(s) claim then why not openly provide the percentages of the successes to the number of attendees?

Taking full responsibility for my business is mine, and I did sell the single restaurant for a profit. What didn't happen was IBI's participation in the manner they verbally and consistently promised.

Again, I'll comment that the CEO Space mentors are simply "vendors", making lots of money by being at a forum with easy access to a vast amount of business owners. The business owenrs who think that by paying for a service offered by these mentors believe they will receive the value of service that should be provided, which simply is not the case.

I'm sure you'll rebuttal and we could go back and forth continually, because you are devoted to CEO Space. My opinion differs to the opposite and I'm simply voicing my opinion. Now that that I have through several rebuttals and stated what I needed to say, I believe any business owner will weigh their involvement carefully.

Best of luck in your business.

The only one above that you got correctly is #2.

You ask me to identify the #1s and I will below even though you are being smarmy and posting anonymously.

What I find hilarious is that you don't mention any of the other successes but ask that the #1s get named.

#1 Pet Producte 2 years in a row:  StickySheets.com
#1 Music Product:  PianoWizard.com
#1 Education Product:  PianoWizard.com  (yes, two categories)
#1 Auto Safety Product - AutoTrend Magazine:  Tow Truck in a box.

The list is endless as far as successes.

The only reason that someone would not succeed is because they didn't put out the effort.

CEO Space grows businesses at a much faster pace in much less time and for far less than the rate a business is spending without it.

Two years and your business didn't increase?   That's amazing with or without CEO Space or IBI.  Pretty tough to do unless you are not trying.

Simply stated, don't blame others for your own lack of effort or action!

Be responsible.

Sorry to disappoint you sir, but the entire statement made is true.

1.  Mr. Dorhmann founded both Income Builders and CEO Space, and they both meet in different locations for the "benefit" of attendees. IBI charged $6,000 for a lifetime membership, and maybe CEO charges a bit less, but not much I'll assure you.

2. IBI was not a "seminar" and operates under the very same principles as CEO: Super Teaching, SNAP, Meal Tables and Team Power, all glorified to represent possibilities for attendees and very little of it applicable.

3. My business was never "kicked out or a competitor" but rather a bona fide paying attendee who never received the assistance promised, even after attending for more than 2 years.

4. The "teachers" are making grand money by getting attendees to pay for minimal services which can be obtained through your local resources at a much better rate. Branding, patent attorneys, advice for start up corporation, legal mentoring, etc., are all overcharging at these forums. These "teachers" are attending to sell themselves and keep their pipelines full of paying students, far easier method.

Listing some of the companies that work in conjunction with CEO are those that are the same as listed with IBI. Many of the the CEO instructors were with IBI as well. Vince Molina, Maria Speth, Jill Lubin, Lisa Nicholas, Bob Proctor, and more. The average attendee doesn't have access to these people, unless and I'll state this clearly, your checkbook is in hand for their services and you continue to keep writing the checks.

Chicken Soup for the Soul - Barry Spilchuck was one of the many authors, who developed a company through IBI, "Let's Talk" which eventually went bankrupt, even after raising hundreds of thousands of dollars at IBI.

DebCo, another company who raised substantial at IBI was headed by Nicholas Sconza. Their funding was raised at IBI and then disbanded.

Laser Shield, well when you are the son of the man who heads IBI you certainly have a "leg up" with funding sources and contacts.

Please, don't list #1 Pet, Education, etc. Name it or don't claim it.

I stand by my remarks, once you leave the "forum" your teams don't have time for you, your connections with main resources leave you alone once your money has been spent, and you can't get help from the mentors you don't pay.

If CEO space truly accounted for successful businesses that went through their program, how many could they claim they had a hand or even a finger in at least taking to the next level. I'm sure not many as I was told they don't track those who don't stay in touch, wow, what a marketing strategy. Poll the successful and leave the rest to grovel.

If you are one of the few that are successful, congratulations.

It's easy to spot the falseness of this report through the several innacuracies.

1) CEO Space meets in Lake Las Vegas, not Los Angeles.
2) CEO Space does not have courses that are $6000.  In fact, it's not a seminar, a workshop, or a course.
3) I have been a member for three years and have met the most high integrity people at CEO Space.  This must be written by someone who was kicked out, or someone who is trying to compete with CEO Space.

I will add the following that I find very true, very credible, and extremely accurate:

CEO Space is the world's oldest, largest & most successful network for CEOs, Entrepreneurs and Visionary investors.

CEO Space is an entrepreneurial training and world class business networking organization, providing MBA-level training and development and an immersion experience of cooperation that results in income acceleration through exponential business growth.   

CEO Space was founded by Berny Dohrmann, whose father was a mentor to Walt Disney, Napoleon Hill, Buckminster Fuller, Jack Kennedy, W. Edwards Demming, Earl Nightingale and many others. 

For the last thirty years, Dohrmann, whom the media refers to as "The Millionaire Maker" has been known as "Coach of the Coaches" ...Anthony Robbins, Mark Victor Hansen, Jack Cannfield, Lisa Nichols, Robert Allen, John Assaraf, Loral Langmier, Jay Abraham, Alex Mandossian, T. Harv Ecker, John Gray, Bob Proctor, Robert Kiyosaki, Les Brown and just about any other big name you can think of, including Founding Partners from elite consulting firms, Accenture & Booz Allen,  as well as head execs at companies like Starbucks, Nokia, Memorex, HSN, 3M, AT&T, ConocoPhillips, and many more.  He is now counseling the United Nations and many foreign nations with regard to turning around the global economic crisis via Cooperative Capitalism.


About a third of the members are investors, including millionaires & billionaires.  In the last two years, CEO Space generated over $6 Billion Dollars in funding for its members, while all the banks and venture capital firms were sitting on their hands. Investors love CEO Space for four main reasons, among many....  
1) Anonymity & Ability to get to know the principals intimately.
2) More quality deal flow in one place than anywhere on earth.
3) The opportunity to mentor and be mentored, no matter what level of one's stature.
4) The member companies are in a place where they have a lifetime membership with no annual dues and can get on-going advisement from the top business minds in the world.

Some of the success that you've heard of that CEO Space members have been responsible for include:

- The Cloud
- RIMM's Blackberry software Obama uses
- Microsoft's Lead Developer
- Chicken Soup for the Soul
- The Old Speghetti Factory
- Airborne
- The Secret
- The Oprah Winfrey Show
- "The View"
- 911 Locator Systems
- Bugle Boy Jeans
- LaserSheild
- Robert Kiyosaki's (Rich Dad/Poor Dad) "Cash Flow"
- Green Glider
- PrePaid Legal
- Isagenics
- Magic Fountain
- The first all green city on the planet
- DreamTools
- Prolong Super Lubricants
- The Old Spaghetti Factory
- The T.E.N.S. Unit
- The current #1 Pet Product
- The current #1 Education product
- The current #1 Automotive Product
- The current #1 Saftey Product
- The current #1 Music Product
- Hundreds of best-selling authors
- Emmy & Grammy Winners
- Leaders in nearly every single product and services category
- Thousands of others

There are videos at www.GlobalCEOspace.com

It's not just the hundreds of millions in funding generated every meeting at CEO Space, or the contacts you often can't find in one's home region.  Below is an outstanding piece of testimony be one of the founders of a leading University Entrepreneur Program.

"Having spent the majority of my 30-year career in entrepreneurship and having been a part of the founding of the University of Houstons Wollf Center for Entrepreneurship (which is today the number one collegiate entrepreneurship program in the Nation), I was blown away by the number of business concepts while at CEO Space that I have never heard before.  After returning from the Forum, I went over all my notes and marked the items that signified those that were new to me.  Based on all the notes I took during my 10 days there, 70% of what I heard from the faculty and mentors were issues that I NEVER HEARD BEFORE.

As a result, I have returned home with a whole new view of how I see the business world here in Houston.  I have more insight, more confidence and more knowledge that I know will propel me to new levels of success and the achievement of my vision.  And that vision is also on a whole new plateau.  My thoughts are coming from a higher plain and my personal business power is accelerated beyond my expectations.  I am thinking about business bigger than I have ever thought before and I have much more belief in my ability to make it happen.  I am so excited to exercise what I have learned so I can continue helping entrepreneurs at a new level.

Thank you CEO Space!

Dan Valdez
Entrepreneur, Advisor, Innovator"